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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by pavel_lishin »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #93
pavel_lishin wrote: post #45

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> When I was a kid there was a big earthquake where I lived and my life was disrupted for a few weeks. Many decades later I still have latent trauma from that incident. From the earthquake, or from the disruption? It's an important distinction in the COVID case. Are kids being traumatized by having to attend school via Zoom, or are they being traumatized by living through a global pandemic?

I don't think the distinction is important in any scenario. It's always the disruption. Put another way: if an earthquake happens, but nobody notices except the Richter scale, does it impact anyone? Of course it's not the pandemic term itself, it's the first-, second-, third-order effects of covid and the term pandemic . Zoom school, masks, vaccines, media coverage, political shifts, fights, worrying about family mem…

> worrying about family members getting sick (possibly dying)

That was my point. Is what's hurting the kids having to stay home, and have Zoom meetings? Or is it the fact that they're literally living through a catastrophe? The former is nothing compared to the latter.

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Post by yeetaccount4 »

honkycat wrote: post #440
refurb wrote: post #435

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This is an impressive rant and makes sense if you ignore the fact that more and more money is being sucked up by the government that seems to be providing less and less in return. I mean San Francisco has a $1.1B budget for homelessness. That's a contribution of almost $1,300 for every man, woman and child resident of SF. And yet the problem is worse, not better. Maybe it's not a money problem but the approach that's…

The mistake you are making is that you think I consider our current administration and democratic leaders remotely competent or aligning with my values. They do not. I agree they are useless on purpose. That is my point.

I gotta say the situation in politics in the US is so rancorous that no person with two brain cells to rub together would go into it unless they’re a pig that likes to wrestle in shit; who wants to go into that mess? Even Bernie gave into the identity politics out of necessity.

Our best and brightest are making money to buy fallout shelters in NZ or wherever.

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Post by tehjoker »

sethammons wrote: post #349
tehjoker wrote: post #193

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The research in kids is much sparser than in adults, but when I looked into this, I saw far smaller, more biased sample sizes than in adults, but very similar PET scans showing hypometabolism in kids brains as has been shown in adults. This first article popped up too discussing long covid in kids when I googled it just now. "Children with long covid" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ "Simila…

took a look at the first link, it points to doi.org/fv9t they asked kids 6-16, after having covid, if in the following 3 months they experienced muscle or joint aches, headaches, or several other things. of course half the kids self report that. How many of them had growing pains? Stayed up too late and didn't hydrate enough? Etc. I don't think this study is anything to give much weight to

The first link was just google, the second link I actually read and thought about.

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Post by lucaspm98 »

honkycat wrote: post #440
refurb wrote: post #435

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This is an impressive rant and makes sense if you ignore the fact that more and more money is being sucked up by the government that seems to be providing less and less in return. I mean San Francisco has a $1.1B budget for homelessness. That's a contribution of almost $1,300 for every man, woman and child resident of SF. And yet the problem is worse, not better. Maybe it's not a money problem but the approach that's…

The mistake you are making is that you think I consider our current administration and democratic leaders remotely competent or aligning with my values. They do not. I agree they are useless on purpose. That is my point.

Then the real question is whether you believe there is any hope or even precedent of efficient government administration and spending. I personally believe not and that government, especially on a broad federal level, will inherently tend to be inefficient, bureaucratic, and corrupt. If so, wouldn't a swing right towards small government be ideal?

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Post by sanedigital »

op00to wrote: post #379
sanedigital wrote: post #58

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You have your groups backwards. Those of us who homeschool (or whose children attend small, alternative private schools) understand fully that it takes a village. That's why we went to great pains to keep that village active, pandemic or no pandemic. Our specific community has accepted the additional risk to us adults in order to keep some level of normalcy for our children. This article is about the other kids. The…

- The kindergartners who haven't seen a teacher's face in 24 months What is that even supposed to mean? - The grade schoolers forced to eat outside in the cold. This is not harmful, but is also not universal. I have not seen that personally. Hell, in Nordic countries people leave their infants outside in freezing temperatures to nap. - The high schoolers who unofficially "dropped out" when their schools closed and wi…

1. Viewing faces is extremely important for cognitive development. With teachers masked 24/7 young children are not getting important information from their educators and caretakers throughout a critical period of their development. I don't have time to pull all the studies on this, but here's one focused on babies: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7598570/

2. Speak for yourself. If my young child was forced to eat lunch outside of the cafeteria in freezing temperatures I'd be furious. And infants left outside are bundled up—they're not manipulating food and placing it into their mouths.

3. I tend to care about all people and seek the best outcomes for everyone whenever possible. My bad, I guess.

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Post by chii »

geoduck14 wrote: post #403
ilteris wrote: post #367

I don't give a shit what the article says or specifically points to but I can tell you this much. I am a dad of a 6 year old. My kid goes to public school in NYC and last year was bad... They did a test at the beginning of this year before the start of the first grade and her results were awful. This is an unprecedented event and everyone is clueless including in education. I don't make a big deal about the test resu…

My 7 yo tested positive yesterday, so we kept her and her 5 yo sister home today to "learn from home". I had forgotten how bad learning from home was. My wife stayed home to help them - she spent most of the day trying to get them connected to the various videos to listen to stuff and very little time actually learning

I highly suspect there's room for disruption in at-home education - it's so terrible right now.

It'd be interesting to see if VR is a possible solution for such use cases. I think VR tech has to advance a bit more (in terms of ease of use, as well as affordability) before it can be used this way, but these early adopters' experience (see https://blog.immersed.team/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385) seems pretty positive to me.

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Post by jdminhbg »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #414
ilteris wrote: post #367

I don't give a shit what the article says or specifically points to but I can tell you this much. I am a dad of a 6 year old. My kid goes to public school in NYC and last year was bad... They did a test at the beginning of this year before the start of the first grade and her results were awful. This is an unprecedented event and everyone is clueless including in education. I don't make a big deal about the test resu…

American society depends on personal responsibility in the aspects of healthcare, retirement, and employment. Your child's education is usually an honorable exception to this in that it's totally government run and borderline volunteer-run, but funding for that is not adequate to the point where you can reasonably expect it to continue as usual in the midst of a global pandemic. The sooner you can come to terms with…

> funding for that is not adequate to the point where you can reasonably expect it to continue as usual in the midst of a global pandemic

The US spends way more on education per capita than many countries that were able to keep their schools open during 2020-2021: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd

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Post by wayoutthere »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #263
nsxwolf wrote: post #115

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This sentiment seems strange in 2022. Vaccines for teachers have been widely available for almost a year now.

> Vaccines for teachers have been widely available for almost a year now. You appear to have missed the news around the Omicron variant being much better at vaccine evasion than Delta. You can't compare the situation a year ago with the one now, which is unique and unprecedented, just like the pandemic was initially.

I have Omicron right now. I’m vaccinated and had my booster in November. I’m young, healthy, I work remotely and I’m struggling to make it through half a day. My symptoms aren’t even that bad, I’m just exhausted all the time. There is no way I could do a job where I had to be on my feet all day. I can barely carry on a conversation.

The problem right now where I live is that everyone is sick. Grocery stores, restaurants, delivery services and even fucking Walmart are closed because they don’t have enough employees to operate. The schools tried to open but it was a disaster with half the teachers out sick so they just postponed opening them a week in hopes it will go away.

This wave will be over, but without lasting immunity in the population the next mutation could be worse. We could very well be dealing with this the rest of our lives and there is no return to “normal”. We’re in the new normal.

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Post by lucaspm98 »

honkycat wrote: post #420
lucaspm98 wrote: post #415

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That is a highly political, opinionated, and pessimistic take. You can just as easily say that the "pendulum swing" hard left has been causing our current issues, and that at least a balancing out could be a natural and needed correction.

How could you argue we have gone "hard left" exactly? What is an event or piece of legislation that has been passed?

Socially and culturally it's undeniable, it's now completely unacceptable in my professional and social circles to publicly support one of our two political parties.

Politically, outside of the obvious 2020 election, there has been unbridled and unprecedented government spending since at least the beginning of the pandemic. Whether it was justified is up for debate, we likely still haven't realized all of the effects, but it has been at levels typically only those further on the left would propose.

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Post by WalterBright »

scottlamb wrote: post #355
WalterBright wrote: post #95

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No doubt some are long term traumatized by this. But a brief look at history shows that such things happening during childhood are normal , not exceptional. If most people need therapy to get back to normal, the human race would have died out. In my grandparents' generation, it was normal for a family to lose a third of their children before adulthood. The US has had devastating epidemics before, like the 1918 flu, a…

> If most people need therapy to get back to normal, the human race would have died out. I don't think "normal" and "human race died out" are the only options. Your grandparents' generation may not have ever had or gotten back to what we'd consider normal today. We always hope to make the world a little better for our kids than it was for generations before. Our kids will grow into adults, and they'll find their norm…

The survivors of the pandemic will be, by and large, just fine. Like has happened with every other disaster.
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