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Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by kixiQu »

hellweaver666 wrote: post #69
AwkwardPanda wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll see if that conversion can be done in a generic way.

As a metric user, imperial format recipes are the bane of my existence. I swear to god some Americans don't realise the rest of the world uses a whole other system.

Yeah, and what's up with all this non-English content on the internet? Don't they know that it's the most spoken language? A lot of it isn't even in Chinese, either! Ruins my day when I come across something written in German

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by adammenges »

fancy_pantser wrote: post #155

In the same vein, I made the Recipe Filter extension for browsers: Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/recipe-filter/ahlc... FF: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/recipe-filter... Source code (there's Safari in there if you don't mind building it yourself): https://github.com/sean-public/RecipeFilter I was spurred into action by a comment here on HN back in 2017: https://news.ycombinator.co…

Is it not on the safari 'store' because of the $99 a year?

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by linsomniac »

joshstrange wrote: post #78
switzer wrote: post #10

Since OnlyRecipe.app is already parsing the recipe site, it would be a great feature to allow conversion to weights from volume (e.g. show 120g of flour vs. 1c of flour). Also, allow someone to double (or 1.5x...) the recipe as well, and have all measures double in the recipe!

You might be interested in Paprika, it can import recipes from anywhere, let you edit/save them, and scale. It's got a ton more features than just that but it's a great app and worth every penny.

Agreed, happy user of Paprika here. It also has multi-device syncing, so my wife and I have a common place for them. We both cook quite a lot. Found Paprkia via HN comments 2-4 years ago. It is paid, and there's a Mac laptop app that is an extra charge. Around they holidays they usually have a sale, but I think it was ~$10 for both my wife and I to get.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by nybble41 »

anamax wrote: post #118
littlecranky67 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure about the US or the EU in general, but in Germany at least databases - even if they solely consist of trivial, non-copyrightable data - are still copyrighted. This law was put into place after a company in Germany just hired people to type of physical copies of Phonebooks and the yellowpages, and sold a "phonebook" on CD. A name+phonenumber pair isn't copyrightable, but the collection as a whole is (at least…

In the US, the facts in a phone book (names, numbers, addresses) are not copyrightable and neither is the collection. However, see the bit at the end about compilations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_Publications,_Inc.,_v._R... . I wonder whether "fake facts" (bogus names, numbers, addresses) are copyrightable. If they are, they can be used to give copyright protection to a collection even when the bulk of the…

> I wonder whether "fake facts" (bogus names, numbers, addresses) are copyrightable.

This has, unfortunately, been upheld on occasion. True damages from copying such false entries would be nonexistent, naturally, but statutory damages are blind to such trivialities as justice or proportionality.

Morally speaking, anything presented as fact (including entries in a phone book or notations on a map) should be treated as fact and thus not copyrightable. Something along the lines of estoppel should prevent one from claiming that they are providing a database of facts and then suing the recipient for reproducing copyrightable "creative elements" which don't belong there. Also, selling someone a database of "facts" with deliberate fictitious entries mixed in which are not specifically labeled as such should be classified as fraud and open the publisher up to liability should anyone suffer the slightest harm due to the false entries.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by allochthon »

seanw444 wrote: post #94
hedgewitch wrote: post #59

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Yes. I worked at a site that had an SEO-obsessed boss and basically the keywords, placement of keywords, formatting of the page, everything...all affected SEO. However, that all likely paled in comparison to him gaming the system by paying to host separate sites that linked back to his in an effort to boost legitimacy during the times when SEO was a make or break thing.

The more I read about SEO, the more dystopian it sounds. "Please, I'll write whatever you want. Just list me!"

It's definitely an arms race. Sort of like tax avoidance. As long as you have search engines ordering results, I guess you'll have people who seek to game the results. The question for me is whether what Google does can be improved upon. I think we can do much better.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by throw8383833jj »

password1 wrote: post #37
2bitencryption wrote: post #11

What is the reason that every single recipe site, without fail, follows this same horrible pattern? I.e. the twenty paragraph "When I was a child growing up in Atlanta..." followed by a crappy in-house video player followed by, finally, the actual recipe? My assumption is SEO? For some reason, Google must really like having tons of text on your page, and dislikes simple "here's the recipe"? etc? Second question - any…

It's SEO. Once a SEO expert was showing me user heatmaps on his popular website's articles. The users completely ignored 90% of the content and of the text of a page. I asked him why so many parts of the text were ignored by the users and his answer was "oh, that text is not for the users, it's for google". The literally paid writers to write articles way longer than needed solely to satisfy Google algorithms. The wo…

And as a result google search in general has been going downhill for the last 5 years. It's getting so bad, that I've openly been trying other search engines. Unfurtunately, duckduckgo has the same problem. I'm keeping an eye out for other search engines to do most of my searches.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by spacemadness »

candiddevmike wrote: post #76
AwkwardPanda wrote: post #2

It can get frustrating skimming through text walls just to find the recipe on blogs/sites. Authors do it to get high ranking on Google. You can use OnlyRecipe.app to extract the recipe information. It works on almost all sites/blogs which follow a recipe standard when they post. You can also save it to your phone directly using the app. Scan recipe QR code using your phone camera and voila. Android: https://play.goog…

The irony of having an ad supported app to scrape recipes from ad supported websites. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Technology companies selling a solution to a problem created by technology companies instead of coming together to fix the original problem. This is the world we live in.

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by msielski »

floatrock wrote: post #61
2bitencryption wrote: post #11

What is the reason that every single recipe site, without fail, follows this same horrible pattern? I.e. the twenty paragraph "When I was a child growing up in Atlanta..." followed by a crappy in-house video player followed by, finally, the actual recipe? My assumption is SEO? For some reason, Google must really like having tons of text on your page, and dislikes simple "here's the recipe"? etc? Second question - any…

Because "Recipes" are one of about a dozen categories for which google defines special Structure Data formats, which allows presumably-high-clickthrough results page features like the rich media carousel previews, etc. https://developers.google.com/search/docs/advanced/structure... If you want to know what categories of things will have especially horrendous (ie clickbait-optimized-to-hell) results, look at the other…

There are browser extensions which do this: - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/recipe-filter... - https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/recipe-filter/ahlc...

Re: Show HN: OnlyRecipe.app – Remove clutter from recipe sites

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Post by charlietango »

password1 wrote: post #37
2bitencryption wrote: post #11

What is the reason that every single recipe site, without fail, follows this same horrible pattern? I.e. the twenty paragraph "When I was a child growing up in Atlanta..." followed by a crappy in-house video player followed by, finally, the actual recipe? My assumption is SEO? For some reason, Google must really like having tons of text on your page, and dislikes simple "here's the recipe"? etc? Second question - any…

It's SEO. Once a SEO expert was showing me user heatmaps on his popular website's articles. The users completely ignored 90% of the content and of the text of a page. I asked him why so many parts of the text were ignored by the users and his answer was "oh, that text is not for the users, it's for google". The literally paid writers to write articles way longer than needed solely to satisfy Google algorithms. The wo…

I do front-end dev for a high-volume recipe site and our multivariate tests mostly confirm the opposite. Simpler pages rank higher (and users report higher satisfaction with the product). Core Web Vitals changed the way a lot of things work, how long ago were you given this advice?
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