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When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by mulmen »

sennight wrote: post #17
traceroute66 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US military at least, the prevention of prisoner escape is a justification for deadly force regardless of the reason for imprisonment Well, the world is aware that the US tends to have a "shoot first, ask later" policy. Meanwhile, time for your regular reminder that in the UK policing operates on a consent basis. Overall this basis has served the UK well for the last few hundred years. Even Tasers are classed as a…

> Well, the world is aware that the US tends to have a "shoot first, ask later" policy. The larger point that you seem to have missed being that the US military doesn't do anything without a logical or historical justification (barring cases involving immediate political pressure). They've either thoroughly thought it through or there are a lot of bodies behind the silliest of rules. Why do they insist on putting the…

By invoking the US military you have lost the plot. There is no justification for a US military type response to a journalist. Neither the London police nor the CIA are military.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by BobbyJo »

huhtamor wrote: post #19
sennight wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, the world is aware that the US tends to have a "shoot first, ask later" policy. The larger point that you seem to have missed being that the US military doesn't do anything without a logical or historical justification (barring cases involving immediate political pressure). They've either thoroughly thought it through or there are a lot of bodies behind the silliest of rules. Why do they insist on putting the…

The UK is pretty culturally diverse. But even if it wasn’t, what would that have to do with policing standards and procedures? In any case, it seems you need adjust at least some of your priors lest you lend yourself to cultural myopia

Not to support or rebuff the parent comment, but cultural homogeneity has everything to do with policing standards.

On the positive side, when people feel more connected to each other, more predictable, the odds for miscommunication or misinterpretation are greatly reduced. Further, people within such environments typically have stronger support systems.

On the negative side, there tends to be more pressure, from more sources, to do as those around you are doing. This is a double edged sword, as it can propagate both good and bad behaviors.

This all would play a role in defining police procedures, as it would contribute to a set of expectations, of the police and the people they are dealing with.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by tw04 »

mulmen wrote: post #21
sennight wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Well, the world is aware that the US tends to have a "shoot first, ask later" policy. The larger point that you seem to have missed being that the US military doesn't do anything without a logical or historical justification (barring cases involving immediate political pressure). They've either thoroughly thought it through or there are a lot of bodies behind the silliest of rules. Why do they insist on putting the…

By invoking the US military you have lost the plot. There is no justification for a US military type response to a journalist. Neither the London police nor the CIA are military.

You’re starting from a point that hasn’t been established.

> response to a journalist

You call him a journalist. The US government calls him a Russian asset. The UK court agrees more with them than you or he wouldn’t be holed up in an embassy.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by ncmncm »

marktucker wrote: post #2

Posted last week here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29723433 TL;DW Guy thinks information should be free. Thinks an informed society is important. Thinks journalistic freedom is necessary for that. Thinks Julian Assange should be free. Video is about the circumstances around the foiling of the plot to get Julian Assange out of the country by means of becoming an Ecuador diplomat. There was a meeting between J…

The 8 cups of coffee were brought to a police van that, presumably, had 8 cops huddled enduring one another inside. Anyway, 8 men probably dressed as cops.

Of course there is no way to know if they were actual London Metro police, or just bozos wearing cop uniforms. But, how much difference is there, really? It comes down to whether they still wore them a month later.

Impression was that the misinformation in the Yahoo piece was the reporter spicing up the story to make it seem more interesting.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

tw04 wrote: post #23
mulmen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By invoking the US military you have lost the plot. There is no justification for a US military type response to a journalist. Neither the London police nor the CIA are military.

You’re starting from a point that hasn’t been established. > response to a journalist You call him a journalist. The US government calls him a Russian asset. The UK court agrees more with them than you or he wouldn’t be holed up in an embassy.

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Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by harry8 »

tw04 wrote: post #23
mulmen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By invoking the US military you have lost the plot. There is no justification for a US military type response to a journalist. Neither the London police nor the CIA are military.

You’re starting from a point that hasn’t been established. > response to a journalist You call him a journalist. The US government calls him a Russian asset. The UK court agrees more with them than you or he wouldn’t be holed up in an embassy.

> The US government calls him a Russian asset

... With precisely zero evidence in support of that.

He is, however, very clearly and unquestionably a journalist whatever else he is accused of however credibly.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by pydry »

tw04 wrote: post #23
mulmen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By invoking the US military you have lost the plot. There is no justification for a US military type response to a journalist. Neither the London police nor the CIA are military.

You’re starting from a point that hasn’t been established. > response to a journalist You call him a journalist. The US government calls him a Russian asset. The UK court agrees more with them than you or he wouldn’t be holed up in an embassy.

>The US government calls him a Russian asset.

Exactly like Putin. He likes to call all of the journalists he locks up foreign agents and the US always condemns him.

His less intellectually inclined supporters are generally of the view that their government can be trusted to make these kinds of judgements and that the journalists really are foreign agents.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by pydry »

PradeetPatel wrote: post #12
sennight wrote: post #10

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> As for shooting out the tyres... This comes up every so often with regard to high speed chases: "Why not just let him go and then make the arrest after things have calmed down? We know where he lives." The answer to that question is very simple: you are operation under the premise that you can accurately predict your target's future actions. You cannot, and it is laughably foolish to think otherwise. This is why, i…

>...his tormentors will never have to answer to it. Why the defeatist attitude? It has been established that the truth will eventually surface with sufficient education, public awareness and time. When the truth is out, justice will follow. The world does not operate on a "might is right" model.

>The world does not operate on a "might is right" model.

If it didnt then Prince Andrew would probably be behind bars and Assange would be free.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by ncmncm »

tw04 wrote: post #23
mulmen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By invoking the US military you have lost the plot. There is no justification for a US military type response to a journalist. Neither the London police nor the CIA are military.

You’re starting from a point that hasn’t been established. > response to a journalist You call him a journalist. The US government calls him a Russian asset. The UK court agrees more with them than you or he wouldn’t be holed up in an embassy.

The UK's opinion doesn't seem to be decisive in any case. They jump where and when the US says, lately.

Re: When WikiLeaks bumped into the CIA: Operation Kudo exposed [video]

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Post by ncmncm »

traceroute66 wrote: post #13
marktucker wrote: post #2

Posted last week here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29723433 TL;DW Guy thinks information should be free. Thinks an informed society is important. Thinks journalistic freedom is necessary for that. Thinks Julian Assange should be free. Video is about the circumstances around the foiling of the plot to get Julian Assange out of the country by means of becoming an Ecuador diplomat. There was a meeting between J…

> including shooting out tires Thank you for posting the TL;DR @marktucker. It saves everyone watching a video that is no doubt full of pure invented FUD and BS. Why do I say that ? Because of the "shooting out tires" bit. 1. Its a dumb American thing, no way in hell it would be permitted in the UK .. actually no, to give the yanks their due, I don't event think they would start shooting at tyres randomly on a public…

You may read it yourself on the briefing sheet they got a picture of.

"Permitted" by whom? Do you imagine that CIA or MI5 thugs dressed up in bobby outfits worry about whether what they do might upset you?

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