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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by disambiguation »

lkrubner wrote: post #459

Many people kept insisting "Not many young people are dying from Covid-19" a statement that over looked the fact that, under normal circumstances, not many young people die at all. But there was an article in the New York Times that offered these facts about people aged 20 to 40. July, 2019: 11,000 dead July, 2020: 16,000 dead Both numbers are small in a country where 3 million people die each year, about 250,000 a m…

> July, 2019: 11,000 dead > July, 2020: 16,000 dead

Where are you getting those numbers?

2019 - ages 25 - 44:

- represent ~320 deaths per 100k. [0]

- represent 85M pop. [1]

=> That's ~272k deaths per year in that age band.

You can check my math.

[0] (page 3) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db395-H.pdf

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the...

Further, this chart shows covid deaths as a proportion of all cause mortality. [2]

For ages under 50, covid accounts for 1-5% of all deaths.

For ages over 50, covid accounts for 10-15% of all deaths.

[2] (caveat, this is a snapshot of Feb 17 2021 data) https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-...

In no age band do we see a 45% increase in deaths due to covid.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by ok_dad »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #522
ok_dad wrote: post #315

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Assuming that all covid deaths are accounted for and all the rest of the excess deaths are from lockdown, there would have to be at least as many excess deaths as covid deaths to start saying the cure is worse than the disease. From the numbers it seems like there would be about 800k covid deaths to 200k excess (in the USA), so that would indicate the disease was 4x worse than the cure. Of course those are all assump…

Usually, when people say the cure is worse than the disease, they are suggesting that [cure + disease] is worse than [disease without cure]. I am sorry that was imprecise. There is an assumption here that the lockdowns have reduced the number of COVID deaths. That is not necessarily the case, and actually the evidence points to the contrary: looking at state data, it looks like strict lockdown policies taken in some…

I appreciate your comment to clarify the original comment.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by LorenPechtel »

nn3 wrote: post #391
LorenPechtel wrote: post #369

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They're not lying. It's just meteorite kills are very clumpy. I'm not a lottery player so I can't give a good estimate on the number of lottery winners, but for the major jackpots I'll guess many per year. AFIAK we have no documented meteorite deaths--but it looks like the destruction of Sodom (of biblical fame) was a meteorite. While obviously we have no death toll it's obviously a *lot* of years of major lottery wi…

AFAIK the Sodom story was pretty much debunked https://retractionwatch.com/2021/10/01/criticism-engulfs-pap...

Interesting! Pretty obviously some sloppy science but I'm not sure that's a debunk. For something in the Bible to turn out to be based on real events with religious overtones added. Religions are always poaching from history, to find some truth to a story in a religious work is not surprising, nor is it a confirmation of the religious aspects of it.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by toss1 »

csee wrote: post #479
toss1 wrote: post #450

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IIRC, he got it before the vaccines were available. I'll check the next time I chat with my friend. >>Even 2 points is too much given the asymmetric payoff at the margin. YUP!! It feels like for someone close to 100, 5 points lower would be a loss putting them suddenly below a huge group they were ahead of, and for someone close to 140, 5 points lower would be a huge step down in overall capability, even though the g…

I'm curious what this drug is trying to do. You can see COVID brain damage on an FMRI, not sure how a drug is supposed to reverse that.

Indeed! I'm very curious about that too.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by alsetmusic »

jkhdigital wrote: post #525
MomoXenosaga wrote: post #458

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As always in our beloved capitalist society where we live according to the laws of the jungle: The vulnerable and poorest suffer the most.

> The vulnerable and poorest suffer the most. Don’t blame this on capitalism; this is a fact of nature. That humans have cobbled together a wealthy civilization capable of actually attempting to provide some measure of care for the weak is a staggering miracle.

> … capable of actually attempting to provide some measure of care for the weak is a staggering miracle.

We’re capable of doing far more to care for people than we do. The amount that we do is practically nothing in the US.

Europe seems to do a reasonably good job. Apologies if you were posting from a more socially sofisticated state. I kind of assumed and I usually try not to do that.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by alsetmusic »

throwawayboise wrote: post #398
joe_the_user wrote: post #356

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US has had both a drug-addiction epidemic, a diabetes epidemic and an obesity epidemic. Each these conditions doesn't just reduce lifespan. They also put people in a more fragile life-situation where they need more support. And the US hasn't been at maintaining those kinds of support during the epidemic. Edit: The US life expectancy decline relative to other advanced nations is relevant. Take a look at the following…

And makes people more vulnerable when they contract other diseases. COVID hits harder if you are diabetic and/or obese, for example. The people who try to promote body positivity are doing a disservice to the overweight. You cannot be healthy and fat, and we should not pretend otherwise to spare hurt feelings.

> You cannot be healthy and fat, and we should not pretend otherwise to spare hurt feelings.

I think I’d say more that you can’t be morbidly obese and healthy. Fat people can be healthy (just probably less likely to be healthy than someone at a “typical” weight.

Too bad this podcast’s website is crap for linking to specific episodes. Check the ep from a few weeks ago: Is Being Fat Bad For You?

https://www.maintenancephase.com/

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by dillondoyle »

slapshot wrote: post #541
dillondoyle wrote: post #513

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Yea please! Decriminalizing would be a great first step but won't cut out the cartels and gangs and adulteration (kind word for poisoning..) Would also love to see over the counter narcan. suboxone for any who wants it without the compliance burden.

Narcan is available "behind the counter" in most states. You have to ask for it, but a prescription isn't required.[1] [1] https://www.cvs.com/content/prescription-drug-abuse/save-a-l...

I know there were a few people organizing on reddit too where they would ship it if you can't access it easily too! I think it was a lady on /r/opiates

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by gumby »

diogenescynic wrote: post #471
gumby wrote: post #414

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Hospitals build out capacity based on projections of need. So they look at the population of their catchment area, other hospitals, demographics of the locals, and calculate that they’ll need about X icu beds / maternity rooms etc etc and then build in a small overcapacity for surges. If they routinely overbuilt then cost would go up even more. I think this approach is reasonable for any business,* whether private or…

I generally agree but just to clarify I didn’t say overbuild—just more than our current capacity which seems to be admittedly inadequate for the current crisis. We have no flexibility. Look at how many fewer deaths there are in countries with universal healthcare. Maybe when we don’t have to pay useless middlemen like insurers then we can spend the money to hire more healthcare workers. I think it’s just our for-prof…

I think the difference in those countries is vaccination rate, which renders the built out capacity more reasonable.

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by gumby »

sm4rk0 wrote: post #574
gumby wrote: post #417

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The article says no such thing, and in fact doesn’t even address that issue. The closest is the following: “It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.” The person quoted isn’t commenting on hospitals at all. For example my uncle doesn’t have COVID on his death certificate but his doctor says that his case was simple enough that he could have been saved had he been a…

The article quotes an MD: "The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago" The person I'm replying to mentioned "hospital overcapacity".

True, but that statement doesn’t make the implication you claim; the other arm of the statement would have to be an assertion that the hospitalization rate would (or would not) have been higher had no vaccination been performed.

“Fortunately” (well for this argument anyway) there are natural experiments going on (including between US states, between counties in large states like California, and between European countries) that appear to demonstrate that vaccination does in fact reduce hospitalization

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