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Another data point that the cure for the pandemic has been worse than the disease.
Well guess we have to build a time machine and run an A/B test where we don't do any of the COVID-19 measures to have a fair comparison, no?
This is a massive story and hugely under-reported. Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said. “What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”
I still think this needs further analysis. Perhaps the countermeasures were also part of the problem.
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Hospitals build out capacity based on projections of need. So they look at the population of their catchment area, other hospitals, demographics of the locals, and calculate that they’ll need about X icu beds / maternity rooms etc etc and then build in a small overcapacity for surges. If they routinely overbuilt then cost would go up even more. I think this approach is reasonable for any business,* whether private or…
>I think this approach is reasonable for any business It's reasonable for business, but not reasonable for society (because healthcare should be more risk adverse than a business). That's why the hospital system for op of this thread, which is German, isn't a business, and why they get to complain about how it's deployed
Governments are not immune against financial considerations any more than the private sector is. For example the transportation ministry/department has a figure at which a life is valued and won’t build a road improvement if the cost/mile exceeds that.
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This seems like what-about-ism. You could look these numbers up easily on the CDCs death data, and then you could formulate a coherent thought. Instead, it seems like you're just trying to derail the conversation with as little effort as possible.
No, it’s not what-about-ism. It’s a suggestion that the two numbers being thrown around are accompanied by some bare minimum of detail to have a meaningful conversation. OP made the link to Covid-19, which seems very plausible, but it’s not clear if they have facts to support this or it’s just a guess. Suicides and overdoses are two of the leading causes of death among young Americans. It’s irresponsible to discuss a…
However, injuries are far more likely to be life threatening if health care resources are scarce, as they have become in Indiana.
This is precisely the challenge presented by a pandemic. That's precisely why the lethality of the pandemic virus is largely irrelevant. The threat from a pandemic is the overwhelming of health care resources.
So it's kind of splitting hairs to worry about whether the cause of death is COVID-19 or not. Either way, it's the pandemic. There's a literally historic shift in the death rate among the young that correlates very well with the the availability of care... and we have the people working in the hospitals saying that this is the underlying problem.
Maybe young people have had a 40% increase in deaths from injury, from suicides, from overdoses, or from tipping over vending machines. The specific COD isn't the problem.
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This seems like what-about-ism. You could look these numbers up easily on the CDCs death data, and then you could formulate a coherent thought. Instead, it seems like you're just trying to derail the conversation with as little effort as possible.
No, it’s not what-about-ism. It’s a suggestion that the two numbers being thrown around are accompanied by some bare minimum of detail to have a meaningful conversation. OP made the link to Covid-19, which seems very plausible, but it’s not clear if they have facts to support this or it’s just a guess. Suicides and overdoses are two of the leading causes of death among young Americans. It’s irresponsible to discuss a…
Does he count as a covid death.
i wonder if it has anything related to the covid vaccine rollout? The timing coincides.
A much simpler explanation is that this is a side effect of the pandemic itself. The timing of the vaccine roll out is of course related to the timing of the pandemic. So it's expected that we would see some loose correlation in timing between the different events related to the pandemic. Things such as increase in mental issues and increased drug consumption due to loneliness, lack of medical care due to overflowed…
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Increasing capacity for hospitals is actually a hard problem, because the time it takes to train people to fill the capacity is quite high.
I agree but we should have started a recruitment campaign for more nurses etc. We’re not really doing anything it seems. We should be trying to do more. My relatives in the healthcare industry are all overworked and complain about staffing shortages. Seems like this is a bigger issue than just COVID. It’s out for-profit healthcare system…
In the US you realistically need a 4y education to be a nurse, so we're looking at a really slow change even if it existed.
> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…
Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.
> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…
Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.
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Isn't Germany's healthcare system already universal, and their support for elderly people quite generous?
Nearly universal: there is a universal legal requirement that you have health insurance, and about 90% of the population is a member of one of the very strictly regulated Krankenkasse (the "public" option), with most of the remaining 10% is covered by more loosely-regulated (but still strict by US standards) private insurance. Nearly universal: there are, by many estimates, at least tens of thousands of people who fa…