More questions than answers. Would be nice to see where the increases are.
Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
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It is a literary construction that makes the sentence contain incorrect information. A correct statement would have not mentioned elderly people at all because they are not included in the data: "There has been an increase in deaths of working age 18-64 year olds." Full stop. No need to mention the elderly.
Sure. Is this true: (WHERE 18 <= age <= 64) is the same as (WHERE 18 <= age <= 64 AND NOT 64 < AGE) ? This is what he's saying. It's emphatic, not pedantic to make such a point.
Humans are not programs or computers and language is inherently fuzzy. Having the added statement about the elderly implies they are making a statement about elderly deaths. There is no reason to include the statement as it makes the reporting unclear. This is a problem with reporting on data and science, through the game of telephone things are added and removed and meaning is added or lost.
Simply stating that deaths are up for working age people is more than sufficient and avoids adding unclear information. There is no reason to make any statement about any group that is not included in the data.
If I have data on goose deaths in Florida, I wouldn't say "goose deaths are up in Florida, but not because they're dying in New Jersey!"
I simply cannot make a statement on New Jersey goose mortality because my data says nothing about New Jersey
Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
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" 1,350 versus 1,319 " Without knowing anything else, I seriously doubt that is statistically significant. The normal pre-COVID ICU bed occupancy rate was somewhere near 57-82% ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3840149/ ). 54% is quite low. I suspect that the bar for getting into an ICU bed has been raised by the number of COVID patients. BTW, Indiana has ~1,940 ICU beds ( https://www.wfyi.org/news/artic…
> Without knowing anything else, I seriously doubt that is statistically significant. It's literally the population, not a sample.
It's also a change of about 2%.
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I think you mis-read my comment. The irony is that people are actually closer than ever to their family (or house-mates) due to COVID, which is pushing suicide rates down.
I did not mis-read your comment, it was a continuation of the commentary on how mandated WFH and government-enforced isolation has essentially just moved deaths from column A to column B over the long run. people are actually closer than ever to their family (or house-mates) due to COVID Yes, this is the perception for many people who have family or housemates. In the same way the rich have gotten richer, the sociall…
I don't want to pretend that I understand this but I remember learning in a hunting safety class that legal hunting does not actually reduce the animal population because the number of animals that will die is a fixed number and if we stay within our limits then no more will die off from hunting than would have died from other causes.
Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
#435This story [1] (NYT paywall) is clearer IMHO: 1. 600,000 more elderly Americans, or 1 of 100, have died during the Covid epidemic than would have died had the epidemic not occurred. 2. 200,000 more non-elderly Americans, or 1 of 1,400, have died—but that's mostly ages 15-64, so more like 1 in 1,000 adults of working age. 3. The CDC says adult death rates were up 20%. [2] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/covi…
> 600,000 more elderly Americans, or 1 of 100, have died during the Covid epidemic than would have died had the epidemic not occurred. The article does not say this. The substantial majority of Covid deaths occur among people close to or beyond the typical life expectancy [1]. It's hard to measure how many people would have died during this time frame due to complications other than Covid, and the NYT article you lin…
Life expectancy is a population average. You don't die just because you reach that age.
There are quite a few studies showing that life years lost due to Covid are substantial even for the eldest.
Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
#436My hypothesis is that this is caused from diabetes. I first learned about this when my friend was diagnosed with diabetes at the beginning of the pandemic. He said that Stanford was investigating a potential connection. Now there is a bit more literature [1]. If you go to [2] and select "Weekly Number of Deaths by Cause Subgroup" and then "Other select causes" from the dropdown, you will see that diabetes jumped up a…
Interestingly enough, over 40% of all COVID deaths are diabetics. - https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/diabetics-make-up-40-of-covid-...
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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
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You’re right - I’m anti-vaxx when it comes to mRNA vaccines and I often link to mainstream articles like this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-thousands-more-usual-dyi... Mainstream articles are biased with the spin of the situation but the facts are there. It goes over some causes of deaths - mostly heart/clotting issues, exactly what you’d expect from the vaxx. That’s why we call it the “clot-shot” In England p…
You are confusing your data badly. Each of your references are saying completely different things. 1) non-covid excess mortality 2) mortality rate between those vaxxed and not vaxxed. 3) Reteurs was not 'debunking' point 2 or point 1. They are 'debunking' crap statements on Joe Rogan Podcast about the absollute numbers of those dying from COVID in general. Alex Berenson is terribly misrepresenting information. So whe…
> 59-year-olds are vaxxed at a much higher rate than 10 or 20 year olds.
This is the only intelligent response to explain why overall mortality is 2X higher in the vaxxed group.
I agree with you this could be an explanation. The problem is it still completely destroys the idea that unvaccinated are the ones who should be restricted from society. It shows your age is more important than vaccine status. Someone being obese or not is also more important than vaccine status. Whether you had prior infection is more important than vaccine status.
If it was true that the vaccine was so NEEDED you had to mandate it for the younger age groups, take away their civil liberties without a regular testing option then you’d have to make a strong case those age groups are dying in large numbers. They aren’t - and that’s how I interpret this statistic.
I think there are many other ways to prove hundreds of thousands have died from the vaccine. Here are some more:
http://www.skirsch.com/covid/Deaths.pdf
Seatbelts don’t cause myocarditis. The vaccine can cause adverse events and the way these are being discounted is inhumane. All this while it doesn’t even stop spread… the most vaccinated places have the highest case counts per million. Yet governments are pushing more mandates making unvaccinated second-class citizens. MISInformation stands for Massively Important Statistical Information… and I’m going to spread it as long as governments try to ruin my life for a personal medical decision.
EDIT: I swear they changed that fact check. Read it again - it used to link exactly where I linked to. I guess it was easier to debunk something else
Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64
#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re right - I’m anti-vaxx when it comes to mRNA vaccines and I often link to mainstream articles like this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-thousands-more-usual-dyi... Mainstream articles are biased with the spin of the situation but the facts are there. It goes over some causes of deaths - mostly heart/clotting issues, exactly what you’d expect from the vaxx. That’s why we call it the “clot-shot” In England p…
Doesn't that all make sense? I'm not sure what the issue is here. The statistic that vaccinated people 18-59 are dying at twice the rate presumably true, so of course the reuters article doesn't deny it. The Reuters article presents a totally believable explanation, which is also in the original article's comments. What they are saying is that this can be true for the age range 18-59, but simultaneously not be true f…
Yes that explanation is plausible. I replied to another comment below what I take away from that statistic… mainly that vaccine mandates are BS given other factors such as age has such an impact on mortality and spread.
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Body Positivity movement started out with a good goal, but went off the rails with the obesity == healthy BS. However if you want to solve obesity, especially the morbid obesity shamming will never resolve that as chances are the obesity is cased by an underlying metal or medical issue. most often an anxiety disorder of some kind, and socially shaming someone that suffers from anxiety is not going to cure them, and i…
The primary cause of obesity — in my experience, as a midwesterner — is a lack of access to affordable, healthy food. What people can afford (in terms of money/time/opportunity cost) is primarily overprocessed garbage. It’s mostly impossible to maintain a healthy weight in such an environment. Yes, I’m aware of the twinkie diet guy. Most people aren’t the twinkie diet guy.
>What people can afford (in terms of money/time/opportunity cost) is primarily overprocessed garbage.
I've heard that, but I'm not necessarily sure it's true. All of the lower socio-economic areas I've lived in (in Melbourne, may be different in the US) have had an amazing selection of dirt-cheap fruit, vegetables, dried legumes and fish that are easily accessible in the main shopping area.
Often we're talking "cash only" businesses that avoid tax in order to lower the prices further, and they're always offering a ridiculous deal on in-season produce. We're talking, in AUD, $5/kg for fish, $2/kg for vegetables, $1/kg for fruit. The dried stuff doesn't go on special, but it's usually dirt cheap anyway ($15 for a 5kg bag, once you rehydrate it you get something like 20kg of chickpeas or lentils).
Lack of access to these markets is something I miss now that I'm no longer so close to Dandy/Sunshine.
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It could also hint that excess deaths from lockdown policies are higher than expected. COVID deaths are almost certainly undercounted by some factor, but suicides and drug overdoses are skyrocketing. These numbers would make sense if the cure is worse than the disease too.
Assuming that all covid deaths are accounted for and all the rest of the excess deaths are from lockdown, there would have to be at least as many excess deaths as covid deaths to start saying the cure is worse than the disease. From the numbers it seems like there would be about 800k covid deaths to 200k excess (in the USA), so that would indicate the disease was 4x worse than the cure. Of course those are all assump…
That's only assuming the lockdowns were effective compared to alternatives.