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Post by Spooky23 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #403
manwe150 wrote: post #386

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The page also shows that vaccinated people are far less likely to be in the ICU, which is an even more important metric.

This is the only metric still left, which ma be just time delayed. Also people in ICU with covid may not be the same thing as people in ICU because of covid. It may likely just be that very sick people in hospitals are refusing the vaccine and catching it. Hospitals are confined spaces that aid in transmission of all kinds of diseases. The difference is 40 people out of a population of 14.5 million. So small it could…

It could be many things.

The simple explanation, that getting a vaccination that prevents or reduces the impact of a disease makes more sense. To the point that it’s a no-brainer.

It’s a moot point now, as this phase of the pandemic is played out. People embraced fear, ignorance and doubt in the name of freedom. Many will needlessly suffer as a result.

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

lukeschlather wrote: post #148
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #109

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Doesn't seem that is unbelievable at all to me. Instead I think it just highlights how humans can discount the severity of something when it moves slowly and continues for years. Remember the Boxing Day tsunami in 2004 that was a major catastrophe around the world? According to a Google search it killed 227,898 people. Last I checked Covid had killed about 5.5 million, which is worse that every single war since WWII.…

Covid has obviously caused infrastructure problems, though the contrast with a war is similar. There are tons of minor maintenance tasks where there are one or two people who need to do some thing every week. Maybe all the people who are responsible for the task are laid up for a week and incapable of doing the maintenance. Multiply that by hundreds of thousands of people getting infected every week you end up with a…

It was definitely a rickety system before Covid impacted it. But I suspect any strong shock could have caused a similar destabilization.

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Post by Manuel_D »

spenrose wrote: post #192

This story [1] (NYT paywall) is clearer IMHO: 1. 600,000 more elderly Americans, or 1 of 100, have died during the Covid epidemic than would have died had the epidemic not occurred. 2. 200,000 more non-elderly Americans, or 1 of 1,400, have died—but that's mostly ages 15-64, so more like 1 in 1,000 adults of working age. 3. The CDC says adult death rates were up 20%. [2] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/covi…

> 600,000 more elderly Americans, or 1 of 100, have died during the Covid epidemic than would have died had the epidemic not occurred.

The article does not say this. The substantial majority of Covid deaths occur among people close to or beyond the typical life expectancy [1]. It's hard to measure how many people would have died during this time frame due to complications other than Covid, and the NYT article you linked to did not claim that these are additional deaths beyond what "would have died had the epidemic not occurred."

1. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

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Post by thebooktocome »

syshum wrote: post #410
throwawayboise wrote: post #398

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And makes people more vulnerable when they contract other diseases. COVID hits harder if you are diabetic and/or obese, for example. The people who try to promote body positivity are doing a disservice to the overweight. You cannot be healthy and fat, and we should not pretend otherwise to spare hurt feelings.

Body Positivity movement started out with a good goal, but went off the rails with the obesity == healthy BS. However if you want to solve obesity, especially the morbid obesity shamming will never resolve that as chances are the obesity is cased by an underlying metal or medical issue. most often an anxiety disorder of some kind, and socially shaming someone that suffers from anxiety is not going to cure them, and i…

The primary cause of obesity — in my experience, as a midwesterner — is a lack of access to affordable, healthy food. What people can afford (in terms of money/time/opportunity cost) is primarily overprocessed garbage. It’s mostly impossible to maintain a healthy weight in such an environment.

Yes, I’m aware of the twinkie diet guy. Most people aren’t the twinkie diet guy.

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Post by Flankk »

sm4rk0 wrote: post #347
FabHK wrote: post #281

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You could check for excess mortality among vaccinated and unvaccinated people. I think the data is very clear: vaccination does not lead to excess mortality (unlike COVID).

What data are you citing? There's official data showing the opposite (I personally checked each data point in that graph): https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adult...

I'm convinced you could show data that every single person that received the vaccine died and these people would still say it's safe. Objectivity is gone and health care is now political. The sheer irony that Trump was blamed for everything except for the worst thing that he actually did. Operation Warp Speed rushed the scientific process and caused bad medicine to be released to the general public.

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Post by mcguire »

Manuel_D wrote: post #423
spenrose wrote: post #192

This story [1] (NYT paywall) is clearer IMHO: 1. 600,000 more elderly Americans, or 1 of 100, have died during the Covid epidemic than would have died had the epidemic not occurred. 2. 200,000 more non-elderly Americans, or 1 of 1,400, have died—but that's mostly ages 15-64, so more like 1 in 1,000 adults of working age. 3. The CDC says adult death rates were up 20%. [2] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/13/us/covi…

> 600,000 more elderly Americans, or 1 of 100, have died during the Covid epidemic than would have died had the epidemic not occurred. The article does not say this. The substantial majority of Covid deaths occur among people close to or beyond the typical life expectancy [1]. It's hard to measure how many people would have died during this time frame due to complications other than Covid, and the NYT article you lin…

The "typical life expectancy" is not a terribly useful number (unless you are considering emigration). A much more useful measure is the life expectancy at a person's current age (which will always be greater than their current age).

And I note it is quite easy to figure out how many people you would expect to die from complications other than Covid---as a first order approximation it will be the same as in 2019 (unless you happen to know of a significant change other than COVID).

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Post by romanovcode »

danielheath wrote: post #401
romanovcode wrote: post #287

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> Working from home can remove a lot of the accountability that keeps addicts in check. Not only that but the lockdowns making people low-key depressed which would also be a reason for using addictive substances since they often go hand-in-hand together. I could be pretty much classified an alcoholic during most of 2019-2020 because a six-pack a day keeps the boredom away.

That’s… a substantial way past “pretty much”.

I just realized that I was not a real alcoholic when I stopped drinking altogether without any withdrawal symptoms or anything like that. But yeah, it's a slippery slope for sure.

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Post by masswerk »

mcguire wrote: post #420
andrewclunn wrote: post #12

> "The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319." So last year more covid deaths (particularly among the elderly), but while those numbers have de…

" 1,350 versus 1,319 " Without knowing anything else, I seriously doubt that is statistically significant. The normal pre-COVID ICU bed occupancy rate was somewhere near 57-82% ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3840149/ ). 54% is quite low. I suspect that the bar for getting into an ICU bed has been raised by the number of COVID patients. BTW, Indiana has ~1,940 ICU beds ( https://www.wfyi.org/news/artic…

> Without knowing anything else, I seriously doubt that is statistically significant.

It's literally the population, not a sample.

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Post by syshum »

thebooktocome wrote: post #424
syshum wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Body Positivity movement started out with a good goal, but went off the rails with the obesity == healthy BS. However if you want to solve obesity, especially the morbid obesity shamming will never resolve that as chances are the obesity is cased by an underlying metal or medical issue. most often an anxiety disorder of some kind, and socially shaming someone that suffers from anxiety is not going to cure them, and i…

The primary cause of obesity — in my experience, as a midwesterner — is a lack of access to affordable, healthy food. What people can afford (in terms of money/time/opportunity cost) is primarily overprocessed garbage. It’s mostly impossible to maintain a healthy weight in such an environment. Yes, I’m aware of the twinkie diet guy. Most people aren’t the twinkie diet guy.

In my experience as a Midwesterner, that also has traveled to almost every states in the union, there is no problems with access to affordable healthy food in the Midwest, Large cities have more of this problem than the Midwest, Meijer, Kroger, Walmart, etc are full of healthy affordable food. In fact in many instances the junk processed food mid-westerners buy are MORE EXPENSIVE than the fresh produce

Also my experience as a Midwesterner, is the people of the Midwest enjoy sugary beverages far too much (I say that as someone that should be drinking water but instead am enjoying a glass of very sweet tea). I would say if the average Midwesterner cut out 60% of the sugary drinks the obesity problem would take a big hit.

So I disagree that we in the Midwest lack access to affordable, healthy food

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Post by Tiktaalik »

dillondoyle wrote: post #298
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #57

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Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

And it's not just opiate users. People buying coke & 'molly' are overdosing too from fent and analogues too. Why in the world would a dealer put fent into coke. I guess a speedball feels great but the average weekend partier doing a bump or a pill are not looking to walk that death tightrope. Just sad all around and we still have a long way to go with stigma and science based treatment. If you happen to be in that sc…

Yep. It's not an opioid epidemic or crisis, it's a toxic drug crisis. The drugs are poisoned. No one knows what's in them.

There's a drug test site in my city that regularly posts examples of what they find on twitter. Totally random ultra dangerous poisons in party drugs. All the time.

Here's an example: a drug not safe for humans in a test sample of MDMA. https://twitter.com/GYDTcanada/status/1477444546480984065?s=...

People are dying because they're doing some thing and they have no idea what it is. It's impossible to use drugs safely in such a situation.

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