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Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by netizen-936824 »

hllooo wrote: post #250
netizen-936824 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is making a statement on his data and saying that elderly aren't dying at the same rate. How is it possible to take that any way besides literally?

No, he's making a statement saying that his data shows working age people dying at a higher rate. It says nothing about elderly people. The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people. ... Davison said the increase in deaths (that his company sees) represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people…

Yes, he is making a comment on his data and as an insurer this data only includes working age people, not the elderly.

So of course he doesn't see elderly deaths because they aren't in his data set

But since his data set is limited, we just can't draw this conclusion

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

nerdbaggy wrote: post #98
ganoushoreilly wrote: post #57

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Within my brothers circle of friends / former friends etc, amongst those that participate in recreational drug use, there have been a crazy number of Fentanyl related deaths. They're all between the ages of 25 - 30. I can't help but wonder how much this has an impact.

Correct! “ The synthetic and highly addictive drug has claimed more lives than COVID-19, auto crashes, gun violence, cancer and suicide in the year 2020.” https://www.abc12.com/news/fentanyl-number-one-cause-of-deat...

[1] The person that many hold accountable for the opioid crisis was made head of the FDA by the Biden administration on his first day!

[2] Most fentanyl (+ precursors) is manufactured in China and then comes across the southern border from Mexico.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/28/fda-janet-wo...

[2] (PDF) https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-...

Re: Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by 1123581321 »

kyleblarson wrote: post #90

He says it's going to cost the company more but could there also be an increased incentive for covered employees to increase their coverage and thus increase the premium revenue to OneAmerica? I am generally dubious when the CEO of a (private) company that's bottom line is so closely tied to death rates publishes an article with such a nice round number increase in the death rate.

It sounds rather like a public explanation for pricing changes. The pricing changes would be based on changes to underwriting, and reinsurance costs.

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Post by newacc9 »

joenathanone wrote: post #146
newacc9 wrote: post #113

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There's funeral directors on youtube and bitchute that say their workload has increased 5x and the deaths are all heart related.

Link(s)?

No post body was provided.

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Post by Riseed »

throwaway4good wrote: post #302
adam_arthur wrote: post #274

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Or that second order effects from covid prevention policies have led to many extra deaths. e.g. suicides, alcoholism, drug overdose Have to look at the numbers to understand

If you look at the global numbers not all countries had a similar drop in life expentency (ie. Denmark and New Zealand had no drop) but went through similar or more severe lockdown and vaccine policies.

Yes, exactly. Lockdowns and vaccines are not the only covid prevention policies. Stimulus checks and unemployment compensation (along with their universality and the ease and speed of obtaining them), testing availability, and general healthcare access also fit into the "covid prevention policies" category, and can be reasonably suspected to have had some impact on life expectancy.

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Post by kirse »

woodruffw wrote: post #241
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the non-COVID deaths I’ve heard of among younger people ( Working from home can remove a lot of the accountability that keeps addicts in check. When your coworkers can’t see you, it’s much easier to be inebriated or otherwise suffering from addiction-related issues without feeling social pressure to correct it.

> Working from home can remove a lot of the accountability that keeps addicts in check. This is a cruel twist, given that suicide deaths actually decreased in 2020[1], probably for the reason you've mentioned: spending nearly all of your time with others makes you accountable and removes opportunities for self-harm. [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/VSRR016.pdf

spending nearly all of your time with others makes you accountable and removes opportunities for self-harm.

Never would have seen it coming that encouraging people to stay isolated for years at a time and actively fearing their own proximity to one another would be detrimental.

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Post by jack_squat »

halfjoking wrote: post #301
BillyTheKing wrote: post #80

I feel like article like this one are commonly used by the anti-vaccine community. They point to those ominous, rising death numbers and understand them as evidence for the dangers of mRNA vaccines. It would therefore (among other reasons) be helpful to understand where exactly that rise in numbers comes from, is it vaccines (which I don't think, else we'd be seeing a similar spike in, say, Europe)? Or is it being ca…

You’re right - I’m anti-vaxx when it comes to mRNA vaccines and I often link to mainstream articles like this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-thousands-more-usual-dyi... Mainstream articles are biased with the spin of the situation but the facts are there. It goes over some causes of deaths - mostly heart/clotting issues, exactly what you’d expect from the vaxx. That’s why we call it the “clot-shot” In England p…

Doesn't that all make sense? I'm not sure what the issue is here.

The statistic that vaccinated people 18-59 are dying at twice the rate presumably true, so of course the reuters article doesn't deny it. The Reuters article presents a totally believable explanation, which is also in the original article's comments. What they are saying is that this can be true for the age range 18-59, but simultaneously not be true for any specific age brackets within that range.

This is called Simpson's paradox. The explanation is that vaccination rates are higher among the elderly than among the young, and that the elderly have a higher baseline rate of death, and the Reuters article breaks out the numbers to demonstrate this. What's the big mystery exactly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson%27s_paradox

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Post by sm4rk0 »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #306
Spooky23 wrote: post #115

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The anti-vaccination people don’t need facts, so anything that creates FUD works for them. I live in a protest corridor, and the “freedom lovers” were demanding that we sacrifice the weak and old so that they could enjoy not getting a vaccine. It’s a gross type of mental illness.

The vaccine does not prevent anyone from getting or spreading covid. In Ontario same case rate of covid per 100k residents, in unxxed as vaxxed and heading higher. 3rd graph. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0...

"The anti-vaccination people don’t need facts" but pro-vaccination people will downvote the official data.

Edit: ...as the parent comment was downvoted when I wrote this

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Post by [deleted] »

halfjoking wrote: post #301
BillyTheKing wrote: post #80

I feel like article like this one are commonly used by the anti-vaccine community. They point to those ominous, rising death numbers and understand them as evidence for the dangers of mRNA vaccines. It would therefore (among other reasons) be helpful to understand where exactly that rise in numbers comes from, is it vaccines (which I don't think, else we'd be seeing a similar spike in, say, Europe)? Or is it being ca…

You’re right - I’m anti-vaxx when it comes to mRNA vaccines and I often link to mainstream articles like this: https://www.yahoo.com/news/analysis-thousands-more-usual-dyi... Mainstream articles are biased with the spin of the situation but the facts are there. It goes over some causes of deaths - mostly heart/clotting issues, exactly what you’d expect from the vaxx. That’s why we call it the “clot-shot” In England p…

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