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Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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I almost crashed into a tesla on the highway when I changed lane right behind a Tesla. The Tesla was going much faster than me, and when I changed to its lane a bit too close, it started breaking for no reason, forcing me to jump on the brakes as well. I do not believe it was the driver, but the automatic brake assist that did not like me coming in too close…

You understand that you made the mistake in that case right?

why do you say that? sounds like he was braked-checked by the tesla

of course, in a large sense, the one that hits from behind is at fault, but brake-checking is problematic

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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"The thing that stands out here the most is the complete lack of control that the crew had over the plane. The crew was managing the computers rather than flying the aircraft ." Perhaps they are "Children of the Magenta": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ESJH1NLMLs ... and I cannot recommend this video enough. I am not a pilot and I have no interest in flying nor any particular interest in aviation, generally ... and…

This video is excellent, thanks for sharing!

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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All I'm saying is there's a possibility of discovering the power electronics affecting us in an adverse way. Similarly how we thought lead, asbesthos, radium were harmless at first.

Lead is a bad example, unless you mean long forgotten times. Even Romans knew: > The Romans were aware that lead could cause serious health problems https://archive.epa.gov/epa/aboutepa/lead-poisoning-historic... Asbestos, likewise, was being used 80 years after the discovery of ill effects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asbestos_disease_medic... Radium's danger was known 2 years after its discovery according…

> I think your examples support the thesis that we're actually decent at discovering harmful effects, but we don't mind them.

I think it's less that we don't mind them, and more that it unfortunately is a slow process to go from first research realising there's a problem to general scientific consensus to then one or both of public awareness becoming big enough that companies have to respond and stop choosing profit over safety, or government concern needs to become great enough to enforce it through regulation.

I think we're seeing it with plastics at the moment, it seems very likely that in 50 years we'll a) know much more about the harm micro-plastics do and b) look back at now and think "there was enough evidence, why didn't they ban it immediately?" Well, because it's really convenient and cheap, companies don't want to give up profits, people like me don't want to give up convenient packaging etc, and governments don't want to piss off consumers and businesses at the same time by banning it too fast. Similar story for the climate crisis.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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I just disabled Google assistant and all of its functions, it's beyond useless and probably the most frustrating thing I have ever used on my phone. And I don't mean just the voice controls, but all the "helpful" tips and suggestions are just bad and I can't stand them.

siri's worse than google's voice system... Siri understands what I'm saying, and then CHANGES the correct words into something stupid. I just risk a fine and use my hands for a short moment instead of spending 2 minutes being distracted by siri.

When driving I don't bother to use Siri for anything other than "call " or "text ".

The most hilarious example of how bad Siri is for me, is that literally 100% of the time that I'm playing something on Apple TV, if I say "Hey Siri, pause the TV" (or any variation, calling it Apple TV, including the name of the room, etc.) it always replies that there's nothing currently playing. And if I tell Siri on my phone to play on the Apple TV, all it can do is start Apple Music playing a random song on the TV. It can however respond OK to "resume on Apple TV" which restarts whatever I was watching that had been paused.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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I thought all takeoffs were manual. Is auto-takeoff out of testing already?

The takeoff isn't directly automated, but there's a system called the "flight director" [1] that provides indicators on the pilot flying's display that correspond with a configured trajectory. In this case, it sounds like the flight director was badly misconfigured and the pilots not only omitted to reconfigure it, but followed the erroneous indication far past any point at which it was remotely reasonable (or remote…

Why does it not have basic sanity checking to make sure the configured flight path is not going unreasonably close to terrain? Is it solely controlling heading and altitude or does the flight director incorporate waypoints and topology?

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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The takeoff isn't directly automated, but there's a system called the "flight director" [1] that provides indicators on the pilot flying's display that correspond with a configured trajectory. In this case, it sounds like the flight director was badly misconfigured and the pilots not only omitted to reconfigure it, but followed the erroneous indication far past any point at which it was remotely reasonable (or remote…

So this is the airline equivalent of Michael Scott following his gps into the lake? Insane

For context on the reference to following gps into a lake: https://youtu.be/DOW_kPzY_JY?t=20

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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I wonder if a contributing factor is that they have local noobs flying. I know quite a few very highly experienced pilots (15+yrs at Emirates) were sent home due to the pandemic. The only pilots in the middle east with absolute job security are the locals, and they get away with shit that would see any expat fired on the spot. You can hear stories about this from all the airlines in the region... Emirates, Qatar, Oma…

> local noobs

What's that supposed to mean?

UAE doesn't have a high local population to begin with. Majority of people living there are expats. And among that low population only a few choose to become pilots.

You know, from the rest of the world American pilots flying in America also look like "local noobs".

Let's wait until the relevant authorities release their final report.

Maybe those particular pilots are questionable, but I don't think it's fair to blame the entire carrier.

Emirates is very responsible and it's definitely in their interests to run a safe airline.

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(I'm probably going to get flagged but I don't care)

I've seen it again and again in HN. Whenever something goes wrong in Asia or Africa everyone's like "the noobs over the don't know what they're doing".

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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My gf once asked me why I wouldn't just park on the street, it was night, it was Delft (Netherlands), it was very still standing water in one of the canals with leaves on top. It did look surprisingly like a street, but I knew I was in Delft.

that's just very bad design keeping water at same level with street, I was under impression channels in Netherlands are always below ground level for many obvious reasons

Sometimes the water decides to do that on its own.

I've ridden through Chiang Mai after a heavy rain when the streets were all a foot deep, so you'd get a nice foot wash riding along and despair for your flip flops when stopped.

And if you strayed too far from the car in front or cut a corner, you'd find the 4 foot deep drainage ditches and 12 foot deep canals along the sides of the main roads.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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This is exactly why the mass delusion propagated by Elon that Tesla's have full self driving is terrifying, and why "self driving" in general is a sinister lie that endangers the public.

After working in the industry, I can safely say self-driving is a massively profitable lie. It can work in limited instances, but I don't think we'll have full self driving aka level 5 in urban environments until infrastructure changes. You simply need 5G/V2X for that. Just relying on cameras will not work. On that page, I have my concerns about EVs in general, who knows what the long-term health effects are for sitt…

> Just relying on cameras will not work.

If it’s good enough for us (two small cameras and two microphones all mounted right next to each other) why is it inherently infeasible for a computer?

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