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Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by RexM »

bagels wrote: post #360
ImaCake wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've just gone from a 2004 Corolla to a 2020 Serrato. It's a low end car but it has lane assist, braking detection when a car slows in front, cruise, speed limiter, etc. Combine all those settings with google maps and it easy for me to see how you could get complacent driving a new car and make mistakes. All these features work well most of the time, but they all notably fail on, still frequent, edge cases.

What is a Serrato? I've not heard of this kind of car. If it's a typo or something, apologies, I don't know what it could be. I'm not trying to be snarky, just genuinely curious what it is?

My guess is a Kia Sorento

Edit: Ah OP replied. It’s the Kia Forte in the US.

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Post by anaganisk »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #292

USA is one of Emirates key markets, I wonder why they didn’t mandate higher quality pilots for the routes. I’ve flown quite a few times and remember hearing American-sounding pilot names on several occasions so I know they have them on staff.

You are so close to imply US pilots are superior in flying? I have many incidents where US pilots failed and pilots from other countries heroically landing a damaged plane on US soil. But if yo didn’t mean that. You must understand Emirates doesn’t train pilots from their childhood. Who know/ the pilots might’ve been perfectly capable and even extraordinary. He might be under fatigue, may be he went into shock. Until FAA comes back we must avoid this talk. Recently people started making fun of pilots on Boeing 737 max, until they found out the plane had issues.

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Post by anaganisk »

pc86 wrote: post #53
speedgoose wrote: post #15

75 feets is 22.8 meters. 234 knots is 433km/h.

Which is irrelevant, given this is about aviation where feet and knots are standardized in all but a few former Soviet block countries.

And we’re talking about it Hackernews not on Avsim or aviation herald. People here would better understand in a language they know.

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Post by manojlds »

jackweirdy wrote: post #244
nexuist wrote: post #180

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I'll play devil's advocate and suggest that it is a systems error that the 777 accepted an altitude of 0 without sounding an alarm or at least requiring prior confirmation. It shouldn't be that easy to almost total the airplane.

Bear in mind there are airports in the world at less than 0ft sea level. Very complicated to validate what a valid input actually is

The plane can't know by itself what altitude it is and at least provide warning to override what it thinks it is?

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Post by Markoff »

carlmr wrote: post #253
throwawayboise wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would hope I would not drive into a lake or any other obvious hazard, but I have driven the wrong way onto a one-way portion of a street when I was following Google Maps.

My gf once asked me why I wouldn't just park on the street, it was night, it was Delft (Netherlands), it was very still standing water in one of the canals with leaves on top. It did look surprisingly like a street, but I knew I was in Delft.

that's just very bad design keeping water at same level with street, I was under impression channels in Netherlands are always below ground level for many obvious reasons

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Post by hungryforcodes »

wiedehopf wrote: post #364
hungryforcodes wrote: post #353

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It's exactly what you want, because it simulates reality. Unexpected failures are by definition unexpected.

Yeah i know it is what you want. I'm just asking if it's really a reality as i previously got the impression airline training wasn't quite at that level. As in mostly you get an engine out because that needs training every time. And if the unexpected scenario is an engine out most of the time ... it's not really unexpected. I wonder how often stuff like static port blockages and even maybe the flight director being w…

I just fly small planes, so I don't know much about commercial airline sims except from what I've read -- but I think if you have just a limited time in the simulator then for sure you'd want to be hitting up flight failures more frequently to test yourself. These things are complex, so I'd imagine there would be discussions after of how it could have gone better etc, rather than just a pass /fail.

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Post by raverbashing »

throwawaygh wrote: post #325
ecshafer wrote: post #323

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Is there actually a pilot shortage, or is there a pay shortage? Most of the people I know who wanted to be pilots bounced off of the extremely low salary for a very long time. Unless someone does military and gets a lot of hours, and even then not always, they are stuck paying for their own license then making a bit above minimum wage flying between cleveland to nashville or something like that. If the airlines paid…

Pilots for large airlines are paid very well (100k-200k+). The training is expensive and time-consuming, but not that expensive or that time-consuming, if we compare to e.g. medicine or science. There is a low-paid and debt-heavy portion of the career. However, Medical students aren't paid and even the lowest-paid pilot is making more than the average phd candidate.

The fact that medical students have it hard doesn't justify it being bad for the pilots.

Also it's probably easier to get student loans for medicine than it is for piloting.

Maybe the regional carriers should pay more and have better conditions but funny how they describe it as a "pilot shortage". It's just supply and demand.

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Post by anaganisk »

alkonaut wrote: post #63

Why did it take so long to correct? The computers must have been beeping and screaming about “overspeed” and all kinds of warnings. Sensory overload?

I don’t think you get an overspeed warning on ground. Also by the time pilot realised he was already over-speeding, there is no way he is going to bring back the throttle, once he is up and climbing, until he crosses the transition.

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Post by anaganisk »

dboreham wrote: post #267

I'm not a pilot and have never touched the controls of an aircraft, but I always mentally call out in my head: V1, rotate, V2 when I'm in a window seat.

How? V1 is based on many factors. Or is it just a fun thing you do? Because I do the same.
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