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Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

stereo wrote: post #266
nilsbunger wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "black hole effect" is one mitigating factor - if you take off on a moonless night, it is surprisingly disorienting, and can become debilitating. These pilots missed a bunch of very basic things like rotating at V1. Maybe they got totally disoriented and it incapacitated them? Good training is supposed to prevent that. This wasn't a "missed an item on a checklist" story.

We're talking about Dubai, which is probably one of the brightest places in the world at night.

It’s a very narrow city on the coast and you take off towards the water. It’ll get dark pretty fast.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

USA is one of Emirates key markets, I wonder why they didn’t mandate higher quality pilots for the routes. I’ve flown quite a few times and remember hearing American-sounding pilot names on several occasions so I know they have them on staff.

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Post by GekkePrutser »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #241
mardifoufs wrote: post #146

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I've heard Royal Air Maroc is pretty good when it comes to African carriers but I'm not sure. I know they have (or at least used to have) experienced crews and good airframes, but I don't know anything about their maintenance standards

Royal Air Maroc had a senior captain bounce an ATR-72 off the surface of the ocean through pure bad flying in 2018. Literally the belly of the plane scraped the ocean. Basically avoided killing 50 people by a few inches. Wasn’t gonna report it, but the damage gave him away. Look up air Maroc flight 439

Thanks I looked it up. Very interesting but scary story.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by deepGem »

dehrmann wrote: post #204
EMM_386 wrote: post #120

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It's unbelievable that the pilot's didn't realize they were doing 215 knots while still ON THE GROUND and only decided to pull back on the yoke once they were nearing the end of the runway. They should have at least seen the end of the runway coming up and wondered why they weren't airborne yet. The ends are colored in amber and red as it gets closer to the end, it should be pretty obvious something is wrong. Pull ba…

> How you get to this level of incompetence flying a 777 is far beyond my understanding. The article said--it's the smallest plane Emirates flies.

Well, I wouldn't doubt one of the best airlines on the planet. However, the article claims that they hire pilots with lower flying hours as they cannot find experienced pilots like American or United does. I fail to understand this. Can't they just hire experienced pilots from other airlines instead of hiring the inexperienced ones ?

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by GekkePrutser »

jackweirdy wrote: post #244
nexuist wrote: post #180

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I'll play devil's advocate and suggest that it is a systems error that the 777 accepted an altitude of 0 without sounding an alarm or at least requiring prior confirmation. It shouldn't be that easy to almost total the airplane.

Bear in mind there are airports in the world at less than 0ft sea level. Very complicated to validate what a valid input actually is

Amsterdam represent! :)

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Post by KennyBlanken »

EMM_386 wrote: post #290
dehrmann wrote: post #204

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> How you get to this level of incompetence flying a 777 is far beyond my understanding. The article said--it's the smallest plane Emirates flies.

> The article said--it's the smallest plane Emirates flies. What does that have to do with anything? The 777 is a huge aircraft. It has a maximum passenger capacity of 550 people. If you can have 550 people lives in your hands and are making mistakes like this, it doesn't matter if it's the smallest aircraft in their fleet. And before anyone bothers to point it out, I know this particular airframe was not configured…

It's the smallest airplane and a very long route which means it gets the least promoted pilots; it's the shittiest route. The article discusses this.

Re: Boeing 777 departing Dubai nearly had a major incident after takeoff

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Post by fy20 »

taffronaut wrote: post #151
munchler wrote: post #29

Why is it even possible to enter a desired altitude of 0 feet into an automatic pilot? As a layman, it’s hard for me to imagine why anyone flying a 777 would want to maintain an altitude of zero at full speed for more than a few seconds (if that).

Interestingly I found that a few airports are below sea level [1], so flying at or below sea level is possible. [1] https://expertworldtravel.com/lowest-airports-world/

The lowest is just over 1000ft below sea level. You probably don't want to be flying full speed at 0ft sea level there either.

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Post by chrissnell »

errcorrectcode wrote: post #186

You put your life in many other people's hands every time you step into an airport. If you use Chickens, Goats, and Passengers Airlines, expect not to make it to your destination in one piece. 737 NG (-6xx (736), -7xx, -8xx (738), -9xx (739)), MAX, and 787 are reasons not to fly on Boeing equipment. They have both obscure (Ducommun) and well-known history of cutting corners in design, testing, manufacturing, and who…

You, clearly, have never flown EK. I have six flights in EK first class under my belt. I've taken showers on their airplanes. I've enjoyed $1,500 bottles of 1964 port wine and cognac poured generously. I've eaten caviar and socialized at the onboard lounge.

Believe me, EK is nothing like a "chicken and goat airline". It's world class all the way.

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Post by jrochkind1 »

azth wrote: post #230
quacked wrote: post #176

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If the country you're in: - Prioritizes "face" or "reputation" above literal accuracy - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Assume any complex high-risk engineering system run by that culture will occasionally fail in major ways.

> - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes How many countries does that leave? And why only low level, why not also high level? Doesn't that rule out the US as well? > - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Also sounds arbitrary.

I'm gonna say 'Prioritizes "face" or "reputation" above literal accuracy' is definitely the US too.

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Post by iancarroll »

throwaway898989 wrote: post #284
azth wrote: post #230

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> - Has lower-level officials that accept bribes How many countries does that leave? And why only low level, why not also high level? Doesn't that rule out the US as well? > - Has had airlines and planes for fewer than 5 decades Also sounds arbitrary.

my frend catch lionair flight , indonesian borneo to jakarta the plane acting funny on landing in jakarta, sort of jumping around, weird turbulence when it land, he look outside and see that one of the major aileron has fuselage completely missing and had been replace with electrical tape the plane was flying funny because one of the aileron was replaced with electrical tape from dollar store by international airline…

While I don’t know the specifics here, many people mistake tape on airplanes for normal tape, when it is usually aluminum speed tape[0] that is (in the right scenario) safe to use on airplanes.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape

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