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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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So there's no like/dislike? No retweet? And posts are simply chronological? Is there still a text length limit? How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts?

> How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts?

Author signs every post with their key.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Why so complicated? Just setup your personal website with RSS feeds.

The people who cry about censorship on big platforms are people who want to access the audience. They aren't crying for the censorship itself (they usually love when people with opposing views get banned), they are just using that word to complain about them losing an audience. Setting up a personal website doesn't meet that goal, and probably a thing like this doesn't either. Most of the nazis etc. are quite miserab…

It's sad, but not surprising, to see a question about how two protocols compare answered with insinuations about "people who cry about censorship", who supposedly "love when people with opposing views get banned". Any discussion of censorship-resistant technology seems to attract people who just love censorship, and hate anyone who doesn't, and it's not enough for them to express these views in a top-level comment, they even have to spam specific discussions.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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post #43

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At which point you can setup your own relay, you don't have a block here

Unless nobody is willing to peer with you. These are all questions we've already seen from USENET; in fact, it's not entirely clear to me what the benefit to this protocol is over USENET, except it's new.

But IIUC, other relays don't need to peer with your relay. Your followers just need to know what relay you are using, so they can get your posts.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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post #69

So there's no like/dislike? No retweet? And posts are simply chronological? Is there still a text length limit? How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts?

>So there's no like/dislike? No retweet?

Yes, that's interesting. You don't want to replicate the addictive part of Twitter but you need at least to replicate some of the network effects.

There should be at least the possibility to reply to posts, so if you follow a guy regarding a topic you can find what other people interested in that topic think somehow.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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post #71
post #69

So there's no like/dislike? No retweet? And posts are simply chronological? Is there still a text length limit? How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts?

> How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts? Author signs every post with their key.

> Author signs every post with their key

So the client does the verification? Or is it the relay?

Also, I didn't mean impersonating a specific author, I meant generating posts that no one truly posted to it. So when your client lists the chronological most recent posts you get a bunch of fake manipulated content that was mass generated by the relay itself for example.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts? Author signs every post with their key.

> Author signs every post with their key So the client does the verification? Or is it the relay? Also, I didn't mean impersonating a specific author, I meant generating posts that no one truly posted to it. So when your client lists the chronological most recent posts you get a bunch of fake manipulated content that was mass generated by the relay itself for example.

>So the client does the verification? Or is it the relay?

From the README:

> A relay is very simple and dumb. It does nothing besides accepting posts from some people and forwarding to others. Relays don't have to be trusted. Signatures are verified on the client side

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> So when your client lists the chronological most recent posts you get a bunch of fake manipulated content that was mass generated by the relay itself for example.

From the README:

> Each client can decide how to best show posts to users, so there is always the option of just consuming what you want in the manner you want — from using an AI to decide the order of the updates you'll see to just reading them in chronological order.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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post #71

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> How does it handle a relay tempering with the content of posts or altering the meta-data? Or a relay who'd be sending out fake posts? Author signs every post with their key.

> Author signs every post with their key So the client does the verification? Or is it the relay? Also, I didn't mean impersonating a specific author, I meant generating posts that no one truly posted to it. So when your client lists the chronological most recent posts you get a bunch of fake manipulated content that was mass generated by the relay itself for example.

As far as I can see you subscribe to specific authors, not to a global feed on the relay, an the author is identified by their cryptographic key.

Not sure how it allows you to find new people or responses to comments. Seems like it should be a key part.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless nobody is willing to peer with you. These are all questions we've already seen from USENET; in fact, it's not entirely clear to me what the benefit to this protocol is over USENET, except it's new.

But IIUC, other relays don't need to peer with your relay. Your followers just need to know what relay you are using, so they can get your posts.

Correct, but that makes your node a non-distributed single-point-of-failure if the question is censorship concerns.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. No, the problem is with censoring people. You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why…

Censorship is certainly necessary on some level. Child sexual abuse material, for example. Animal brutality material, rape/snuff material, and so on. I do NOT want this stuff shown to me, ever, and I don't want anyone else in society to have access to this material ever. Even just a short exposure to these things can be life traumatizing to people, as it has been to me. Racism/sexism is a lot murkier of a topic. Ther…

> Even just a short exposure to these things can be life traumatizing to people, as it has been to me

+1. When I was younger I used to browse 4chan somewhat regularly. I saw snuff videos and other awful content that I still think about to this day. My life would have been better had I not seen it.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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I'm using branle ( https://branle.fiatjaf.com/ ) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793. You can find my pubring on my bio after following me. There's no ability to discover others at this time! Nostr relay registry hosted here ( https://nostr-registry.netlify.app ) by fiatjaf. Exciting times!

Just checked it out, my pub key is f0bed2e11260f0f77f781db928f40a34c18713fda1918d3be996f91d0776e985 it's not obvious to me though how you find people to follow.

You find their pubkey in HN threads, of course.
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