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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by beebmam »

logic_beats_pro wrote: post #17
zapataband1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another nitpick this -> "A relay can block a user from publishing anything there, " sounds like censorship to me We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. We don't like it to be the gov, because we don't feel like the gov is 'by and for the people' We don't like it being large corporations because that's doubly the case.

>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. No, the problem is with censoring people. You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why…

Censorship is certainly necessary on some level. Child sexual abuse material, for example. Animal brutality material, rape/snuff material, and so on. I do NOT want this stuff shown to me, ever, and I don't want anyone else in society to have access to this material ever. Even just a short exposure to these things can be life traumatizing to people, as it has been to me.

Racism/sexism is a lot murkier of a topic. There's a lot of nuance there that I think we culturally haven't fully figured out. The whole "cracker" situation on twitch, for example.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by marstall »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #48

Banning people is an upside. Setting boundaries of acceptable behaviour is necessary for having a space where people won't be troll-brigaded and hate-swarmed, and where the worst people on the internet don't drive out everyone else.

exactly. when I see "censorship-resistant," I hear "we don't have a way to control abuse on this platform."

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by olah_1 »

theossuary wrote: post #27
kaba0 wrote: post #22

Censorship is not that big of a problem in this age. That exact info will be available on someone’s server God knows where. Hell, moderation is very fundamental so any project not thinking about that is prone to fail due to low-quality/illegal content, driving away intelligent users. Obstructing the truth by misinformation, spamming, etc is the actual problem. It is a much more effective way to target uncomfortable i…

Agreed. What we need is a 21st century web of trust for reliability of information. This way those you trust could help you find others you trust. And if somebody you trust starts to trust people you don't, you can cut them out of your news sources. This might even be a way to validate trust in anonymous sources, without leaking their identity. Just, please, no more keysharing parties.

You should follow what Synonym[1] (specifically Slashtags) and Iris[2] are working on.

[1]: https://www.synonym.to/products/

[2]: https://github.com/irislib/iris-messenger

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by ss108 »

logic_beats_pro wrote: post #17
zapataband1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another nitpick this -> "A relay can block a user from publishing anything there, " sounds like censorship to me We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. We don't like it to be the gov, because we don't feel like the gov is 'by and for the people' We don't like it being large corporations because that's doubly the case.

>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. No, the problem is with censoring people. You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why…

This is a really sophomoric take.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

ncallaway wrote: post #26
logic_beats_pro wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. No, the problem is with censoring people. You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why…

> No, the problem is with censoring people. No, it’s who/when/where the censorship occurs. If you want to come into my living room and shout Nazi propaganda, your ass is getting censored and banned from my house. If you think that level of censorship is a problem, then we have a fundamental disagreement, and the bad news for you is 95% of people will disagree with you. If you agree on that level of censorship, then w…

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Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by olah_1 »

LinuxBender wrote: post #5

I like the intent of these types of projects but a serious question I have is: How do you get the majority of people to switch to something like this? There are many examples but the most recent ones that come to mind are people trying to get their friends to use Murmur/Mumble instead of Discord with basically near-zero success. I've seen this in a few gaming forums. Anyone attempting this is basically laughed off th…

> How do you get the majority of people to switch to something like this?

One way is to port over interesting content from existing platforms. They already have an RSS relayer here: https://github.com/fiatjaf/rsslay

Not saying that this is like a genius new idea, but I think they're aware of what people may want.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by logic_beats_pro »

krapp wrote: post #37
logic_beats_pro wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We need to realize our problem is not with censoring people, it's with who does the censoring. No, the problem is with censoring people. You make it seem like censorship is a given. I disagree and feel no need to have a third party prune unwanted ideas for me. This will seem like a strange idea for some but I don't need a priest in between myself and God. I don't need a doctor in between myself and good health. Why…

So you don't want doctors (or presumably any form of expertise,) or governments, or corporations. Just you and your brain thinkin' thinks. I'm wondering where exactly you think all of this "information" you would be digesting would be coming from, absent the "censorship" of structures and systems needed to collect, validate and disseminate it? Good luck reconstructing the last 8000 years of human progress and knowled…

You're attempting to steer the conversation away from censorship and now towards a scenario where the internet, medical journals, books were no longer available? In that situation, I would have a much harder time getting access to the information to make a decision.

Back to the original point - You're assuming that a doctor, government or corporation will make a decision for me that's in my best interests. In reality they're much more likely to make a decision for me that's in _their_ best interests. Lots of examples in the past few year+ with the pandemic.

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by MMS21 »

ss108 wrote: post #56

So a platform whose where any idiot can spout any garbage and they feel expressly empowered to do so? No thanks. Granted, there seems to be no censorship on Hacker News. :thinking:

> there seems to be no censorship on Hacker News

https://jcs.org/2012/06/13/hellbanned_from_hacker_news

Re: Fiatjaf/nostr – a censorship-resistant alternative to Twitter

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Post by swalsh »

Cameri wrote: post #3

I'm using branle ( https://branle.fiatjaf.com/ ) as my client and you can follow me with my pubkey: 22e804d26ed16b68db5259e78449e96dab5d464c8f470bda3eb1a70467f2c793. You can find my pubring on my bio after following me. There's no ability to discover others at this time! Nostr relay registry hosted here ( https://nostr-registry.netlify.app ) by fiatjaf. Exciting times!

Just checked it out, my pub key is f0bed2e11260f0f77f781db928f40a34c18713fda1918d3be996f91d0776e985

it's not obvious to me though how you find people to follow.

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