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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Lookup 2018 Honda CR-V electrical issues. It’s not that uncommon.

Did you actually read any of the issues reported in the link you supplied? Those are all run-of-the-mill electrical issues, and none of them seem to indicate that they are repeatedly taking their vehicles in for service for the SAME problem in the SAME component that requires dismantling a large portion of the vehicle.

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For affected Model 3 owners, Tesla has pledged to install a new cable harness and guide protector free of charge. Wiring harness flexing and chafing is a decades-old well-known problem with well-known solutions. I wonder what the people who designed that area are thinking now, when they were presumably trying to save costs? If Teslas' issues were specific to being EVs or otherwise new functionality specific to its ca…

They took the apple route and decided to just go ahead with it after a few months of testing. Like the fiasco of using flex cables for their macbooks. They would crack from opening and closing and would cost $800 for a new screen plus labor.

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This is largely urban legend from the Corvair debacle when an internal document showed someone comparing costs of lawsuits to a cost of recall. I don’t think it ever made it into some sort of policy, it was just a math wonk running numbers

This is largely urban legend There are numerous anecdotes about cost/benefit analysis. Not just Corvair. The Ford Pinto fuel tank is one of the most notorious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto#Cost%E2%80%93benefi...

I had originally typed the Pinto as the example, but changed it after thinking the memo in question was related to the Nader book. Regardless, the point still stands. From your link:

“The general misunderstanding of the document, as presented by Mother Jones, gave it an operational significance it never had” and that the memo

“explains in part of his Mother Jones article that Ford employees wrote this document as part of an ongoing lobbying effort to influence NHTSA (24, 28). But his readers have relied exclusively on his other claim, that it was the "internal" (20, 24) memo on which Ford based its decision to market the dangerous Pinto and settle the few inevitable lawsuits”

That’s what I meant by it not translating to actual policy.

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Backup cameras are considered required safety equipment, I assume, since they’ve been required for years. So I don’t think Tesla has any choice in this. The much smaller Model S recall seems like the bigger deal to me. Obviously having the frunk open while you’re driving would be pretty bad.

Yes, and my side mirror is required safety equipment. When it is knocked off by an idiot, I go get it repaired. The backup cameras are working in these cars they are recalling. If it breaks, go get it fixed under warranty. I've done this with headlight bulbs by the way, and headlights are required safety equipment (potentially as important as the backup camera). I've also had to do this with a windshield wiper, also…

I don't think you understand the difference between something failing due to chance, and something failing due to a known manufacturing defect. One of them you get fixed out of your own pocket, the other is a recall. Try to guess which is which.

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see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

Following the CNBC link also says: "but Consumer Reports put the Model 3 in the middle of the pack and still recommends it." I'm also wondering what's the relative ranking vs. other BEVs and whether or not the ranking is weighted by some of the earlier production vehicles that had more issues. I've had endless issues with ICE cars. Never owned a Toyota. But did own a Dodge, an Audi, a Subaru, all of which had lots of…

My 3rd Subaru had 2 head gasket replacements under warranty, and needed a 3rd when I sold it to buy a Tesla. It's as if everyone makes decisions based on their personal experiences. I know I do.

(It was a design flaw that was unusual for Subaru -- but there's no excuse for Subaru not fixing the part after it was shown to be unreliable.)

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see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

If I see my bestie in a Tessie, I will be happy for them, but much like you I'm OK with a more conservative choice until something like the Tesla EV's becomes the conservative choice.

If you want a more conservative BEV choice, buy a Bolt.

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The manufacturer bumping the price due to demand and supply chain issues is one thing, dealers gouging is entirely different (pure profit for adding no value). Musk was entirely right that dealers would be an impediment to EV adoption. https://jalopnik.com/dealers-say-salespeople-still-arent-rea... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346108/some-dealerships... https://www.fastcompany.com/90294305/car-companies-put-i…

How is a manufacturer raising prices due to demand “adding value”, but doing it at the dealership is not?

Check out the definition of "rent seeking".

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median income for a 50 year old American at 90k is skewed high by a small number of people way above 300-400k. how many millions of americans have a gross yearly income of maybe 35k? randomly chosen Montgomery county in Kansas: The median income for a household in the county was $30,997, and the median income for a family was $38,516. Males had a median income of $29,745 versus $20,179 for females. The per capita inc…

Median income is not the mean. It is the boundary where 50% make less, 50% more. It’s not skewed by outliers like the mean can be. The median for 45-55 year olds is much higher than the population overall. It’s the highest of any 10-year cohort, IIRC.

Plus high income areas skew up so if you're in some parts of the country a 50k car is on the low end.

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I had the Model S frunk open in front of me while driving. Lucky to be alive.

On my last Model S (2018 model year), I was driving up on a bridge and it suddenly opened and blocked my forward visibility, with a trailer on my right. The vehicle was looked at by service a number of times because I got intermittent “Front trunk hood status unknown” (which I had also seen on a couple loaner Model S’s) and service despite taking it in a number of times and looking at it presumably a few days each time was not able to reliably reproduce and investigate the root cause. After the incident, they looked at the car for a couple weeks and. To their credit, they were quite good at resolving the issue and when I asked they lemoned“Goodwill bought back” the vehicle and I ordered another Model S. Their diagnosis, I was told, was that the emergency escape button inside the frunk had some sort of glitch and activated and was causing the frunk to open at times, but this must have been part of the problem. Glad to see this issue addressed at large, as it was super scary, but it took 2+ years since I first reported my own frunk problems till now that the recall is being issued.

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Is your implication that Ford, Toyota and Honda, by being longer in business and having much more experience, should be needing less recalls?

This recall, as a percentage of the amount of vehicles that Tesla has ever sold, is significantly larger than the comparable percentages of other manufacturers' recalls.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts about every Rivian and Lucid recall in the next couple of years. Hint: new car companies have fewer models and larger recalls than companies with many models.
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