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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Attempts to save money in manufacturing undermine solved or perfected approaches.

But you only hear about it when it fails. When it's successful it just looks like products gradually getting cheaper.

Yes, that's the definition of risk.

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The person with a honda in the shop every few months? Sorry to say, some cars are just a lemon.

Short list of issues with the electronics of the 2018 Honda CR-V https://www.aboutautomobile.com/Consumer-Complaint/2018/Hond...

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Backup cameras are considered required safety equipment, I assume, since they’ve been required for years. So I don’t think Tesla has any choice in this. The much smaller Model S recall seems like the bigger deal to me. Obviously having the frunk open while you’re driving would be pretty bad.

Yes, and my side mirror is required safety equipment. When it is knocked off by an idiot, I go get it repaired. The backup cameras are working in these cars they are recalling. If it breaks, go get it fixed under warranty. I've done this with headlight bulbs by the way, and headlights are required safety equipment (potentially as important as the backup camera). I've also had to do this with a windshield wiper, also…

If there was a manufacturing defect that caused your mirror to fall off that would also be a recall.

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To you question: no idea. But I know my aunt has a Honda CR-V that needs to go back to the shop every 1-4 months to get a cable harness serviced and they have to take apart a huge part of the car to do it. I think it’s more a matter of unintended consequences. In the case of the Honda, the dealership tells her their understanding is Honda thought it was nestled away deeply enough it’d be protected. Big oops on their…

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How could you possibly know this when there are tens of thousands of this car sold every month? This anecdote doesn't even have to be part of any broader problem.

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How could you possibly know this when there are tens of thousands of this car sold every month? This anecdote doesn't even have to be part of any broader problem.

People going full “galaxy brain I know everything without researching or asking questions” annoys me like nothing else. So I took a whopping 2 minutes to Google it and there’s hundreds of reports of the 2018 Honda CR-V having a FUBAR’d electrical system https://www.aboutautomobile.com/Consumer-Complaint/2018/Hond...

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To you question: no idea. But I know my aunt has a Honda CR-V that needs to go back to the shop every 1-4 months to get a cable harness serviced and they have to take apart a huge part of the car to do it. I think it’s more a matter of unintended consequences. In the case of the Honda, the dealership tells her their understanding is Honda thought it was nestled away deeply enough it’d be protected. Big oops on their…

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I would also like to know how you could possibly know for certain if the parent was lying? And why the visceral reaction to boot?

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For affected Model 3 owners, Tesla has pledged to install a new cable harness and guide protector free of charge. Wiring harness flexing and chafing is a decades-old well-known problem with well-known solutions. I wonder what the people who designed that area are thinking now, when they were presumably trying to save costs? If Teslas' issues were specific to being EVs or otherwise new functionality specific to its ca…

Why does the harness need to be on the moving part in the first place?

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>> In Teslas, the hood covers a storage space, and both both the primary and secondary latch are electrically controlled. It's not some big dumb spring-loaded hook. So it's higher risk for failure. Yeah, I interviewed at a company that had a frunk module in development. I was initially puzzled as to why they wanted the full ASIL treatment for a basic actuator until it hit me that failure in this case means the hood c…

ASIL = Automotive Safety Integrity Level.

Thank you for that

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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For affected Model 3 owners, Tesla has pledged to install a new cable harness and guide protector free of charge. Wiring harness flexing and chafing is a decades-old well-known problem with well-known solutions. I wonder what the people who designed that area are thinking now, when they were presumably trying to save costs? If Teslas' issues were specific to being EVs or otherwise new functionality specific to its ca…

My understanding of the automotive industry is that they cut corners everywhere they can because they know it’ll save more money than a lawsuit or recall will cost. Do they do these things and when someone dies or raises a stink only then do they do the recall.

Having spent 7 years in automotive, I can tell you definitively this is not the case. Automakers are not interested in dealing with litigation, regardless of the cost-benefit-analysis. It is a mess. Discovery is a mess. The actual court work is a mess. No automaker wants to risk going down this road.

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50k is standard for normies in their 40s and 50s and typically financed with a down payment. Typically $600-$700 a month

In case anyone else is wondering: median income for a 50 year old American is around $90K/yr before tax.

median income for a 50 year old American at 90k is skewed high by a small number of people way above 300-400k.

how many millions of americans have a gross yearly income of maybe 35k?

randomly chosen Montgomery county in Kansas:

The median income for a household in the county was $30,997, and the median income for a family was $38,516. Males had a median income of $29,745 versus $20,179 for females. The per capita income for the county was $16,421. About 9.20% of families and 12.60% of the population were below the poverty line, including 16.80% of those under age 18 and 10.90% of those age 65 or over.

randomly chosen Benton county in Washington:

The median income for a household in the county was $57,354 and the median income for a family was $69,834. Males had a median income of $57,496 versus $36,575 for females. The per capita income for the county was $27,161. About 9.3% of families and 12.7% of the population were below the poverty line, including 19.3% of those under age 18 and 6.1% of those age 65 or over.[13]

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