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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by snedfree » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:38 AM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #185

mym1990 wrote: post #129

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Using someone car ownership as a gauge of possible wealth can be incredibly misleading. Plenty of people go into dealerships and walk out with a wonderful car and debilitating monthly payments.

this is factually correct and while we're getting off topic it brings up the problem of overloaded consumer debt in the USA in general. I also saw a statistic that something like 45% of Americans couldn't immediately come up with $1000 for an emergency the same day. Just in case we need a benchmark measure of relative wealth and prosperity between the typical six figure FAANG employee and people working jobs that pay…

just 39% could immediately come up with $1k according to this survey from January: https://www.bankrate.com/banking/savings/financial-security-...

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by DaveExeter » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:39 AM UTC

phkahler wrote: post #198

Animats wrote: post #88

Since 1966, hood latches are required to be redundant in US vehicles. That's why, when you pop the hood, it just opens a bit, and then you have to go and release a hook or something from the front. This is because, in 1950s cars, hoods flying up suddenly were a thing. Often followed by a crash. Double latches are required by 47 CFR 571. "A front opening hood which, in any open position, partially or completely obstru…

>> In Teslas, the hood covers a storage space, and both both the primary and secondary latch are electrically controlled. It's not some big dumb spring-loaded hook. So it's higher risk for failure. Yeah, I interviewed at a company that had a frunk module in development. I was initially puzzled as to why they wanted the full ASIL treatment for a basic actuator until it hit me that failure in this case means the hood c…

ASIL = Automotive Safety Integrity Level.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by cududa » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:44 AM UTC

rconti wrote: post #157

I'm confused-- these seem like 2 totally separate issues. The Model 3 issue doesn't even sound like a trunk latching issue, it sounds like a cable-harness-in-a-hinge issue? I actually have a Model 3 that exhibited an annoying rear camera problem (now fixed). It had to "go in" to be fixed 3 times, for complicated reasons, but I found the ultimate fix (an OTA update) to be annoying. I had read on the forums that harnes…

Quite possibly completely unrelated, but I do recall helping some friends analyze build defects on early Model 3’s and making some comment like “boy I hope none of those high voltage lines [in the same harness] are ever active when the lv ones are [due to non-existent shielding and routed to the same MOLEX]”.

If memory serves it was power and data over 20 gauge wire intertwined together, unshielded, and pretty much every compute component in a Tesla uses Ethernet as a common bus. Could easily see the back harness being a single package where power for rear defroster, lights, and camera data were housed together. Lights! Camera! …no action

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by jazzyjackson » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:45 AM UTC

mdoms wrote: post #207

cududa wrote: post #204

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To you question: no idea. But I know my aunt has a Honda CR-V that needs to go back to the shop every 1-4 months to get a cable harness serviced and they have to take apart a huge part of the car to do it. I think it’s more a matter of unintended consequences. In the case of the Honda, the dealership tells her their understanding is Honda thought it was nestled away deeply enough it’d be protected. Big oops on their…

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The person with a honda in the shop every few months? Sorry to say, some cars are just a lemon.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by YZF » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:47 AM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #4

see also: Tesla ranks almost dead last on Consumer Reports reliability list https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/Tesla-ranks-almost-dead-... https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/tesla-model-s-no-longer-reco... I hope this doesn't come across as excessively smug but I think my life, level of stress and personal finances are measurably improved by owning something that is closer to a $9000 Toyota Corolla and spending money o…

Following the CNBC link also says: "but Consumer Reports put the Model 3 in the middle of the pack and still recommends it."

I'm also wondering what's the relative ranking vs. other BEVs and whether or not the ranking is weighted by some of the earlier production vehicles that had more issues.

I've had endless issues with ICE cars. Never owned a Toyota. But did own a Dodge, an Audi, a Subaru, all of which had lots of problems, some of them resulting in getting stuck and needing to get towed, the last one was ~1500km from home in the middle of nowhere with the Subaru and a seized engine which is when I decided to get the Tesla. Maybe just my luck.

I think I feel less stress in my Model 3 which so far hasn't let me down. But ask me again in 10 years. No oil changes. No stinking gas stations.

$$-wise I think I agree. But if the Model 3 cost $9k I think we both know which one you'd get...

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by robotresearcher » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:48 AM UTC

0x0nyandesu wrote: post #205

masterof0 wrote: post #154

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In the real world, outside FAANGistan , paying 50k for a car, IS a luxury. I said that as a fellow FAANGistanian.

50k is standard for normies in their 40s and 50s and typically financed with a down payment. Typically $600-$700 a month

In case anyone else is wondering: median income for a 50 year old American is around $90K/yr before tax.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by cududa » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:49 AM UTC

ViViDboarder wrote: post #184

pedalpete wrote: post #148

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1) He announced the sales would happen months ago. 2) He had (I believe) stated the sales were to cover tax costs in California 3) He is still net increased his number of shares over the last year due to his compensation package.

Does his increase in number of shares actually mean anything? I assume that, like most stock compensation, these shares are newly issued shares, diluting the value of existing shares. That would mean he still has a lower stake, regardless of number of shares, no? I may be misunderstanding something.

No, they’re options that were already issued and reserved in a pool. The shares would’ve been released to the market (or whatever mechanism Tesla has in place for unrealized options - many times that means the company buys them) if he didn’t exercise

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:50 AM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #149

bananabreakfast wrote: post #112

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A model 3 MSRP is $45k. A used one can be found for even less than that. Check your local car prices, b/c that is not really that expensive and certainly nowhere close to "rich" territory. A fully loaded F-150 is $78k. I would be shocked if you also said anyone driving an F-150 is by definition rich. Also, a cheap used car may be drastically less expensive to buy for most people, but they will ultimately pay thousand…

Yeah no, sorry, if you can afford a $45k car you must be pretty rich. I know there are places in the world where a $45k car is almost a toy, but that's an extremely narrow and very priviledged perspective.

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by cududa » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:52 AM UTC

mdoms wrote: post #207

cududa wrote: post #204

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To you question: no idea. But I know my aunt has a Honda CR-V that needs to go back to the shop every 1-4 months to get a cable harness serviced and they have to take apart a huge part of the car to do it. I think it’s more a matter of unintended consequences. In the case of the Honda, the dealership tells her their understanding is Honda thought it was nestled away deeply enough it’d be protected. Big oops on their…

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Lookup 2018 Honda CR-V electrical issues. It’s not that uncommon.

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Post by chihuahua » Fri, Dec 31, 2021, 2:53 AM UTC

sonofhans wrote: post #143

ghaff wrote: post #56

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While I've driven them (on a track) and appreciate the attraction of the German sports luxury brands, what I've always heard is that if you want to keep them past their warranty period you need a trusted independent foreign car mechanic--and it can still get pricey. Just has never been a sufficient priority for me.

You’re spot on. I’ve done exactly this for the last 20 years with several old Mercedes. It only works because I have a great local independent mechanic, and I don’t mind spending $2k/year in maintenance.

If that $2k/year gets you a car that runs fairly reliably, that's a pretty good deal compared to the depreciation of a newer car. I assume your cars are depreciated to the point where there's no further depreciation?