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Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by jonas21 »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #35
ericmay wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. The consumer reports reliability thing just seems like a meme at this point that doesn’t ring true for most people either in importance or reality. I can’t quite put my finger on why this meme is wrong but my intuition says it is.

> I see this all the time but then if you want to buy a new Tesla you have to wait a year. And that is due to demand. High demand doesn't mean the product is quality. Fyre festival sold thousands of tickets, even though it was fundamentally fraudulent. Video games are another perfect example: fans pre-order AAA titles that studios fail to deliver over and over and over again. Demand just means that people like the id…

Unlike the Fyre festival or an unfinished video game, Teslas already exist. You can see them driving down the road. Maybe you know someone who owns one and can ask them about it. Even if you don't, there's no shortage of reviews and videos of actual Teslas made by people who don't work for Tesla.

By this point, you should know more or less what you're getting if you buy a Tesla, so that demand is presumably based on the actual product and not just the idea.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by ip26 »

matsemann wrote: post #62
LanceJones wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

Some trims of Honda Pilot cost more than a Model Y. Or did, anyway. Is Honda a rich man’s car now?

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by bobthepanda »

Rygian wrote: post #106
lillecarl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to the story. Ford, Toyota and Honda makes significantly more cars and models than Tesla.

Is your implication that Ford, Toyota and Honda, by being longer in business and having much more experience, should be needing less recalls?

This recall, as a percentage of the amount of vehicles that Tesla has ever sold, is significantly larger than the comparable percentages of other manufacturers' recalls.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by matthewdgreen »

chrisseaton wrote: post #34
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #3

It doesn't seem like the rear view camera problem is that much of a safety issue, thoughts? The front trunk flying open while driving seems highly undesirable though.

Mandatory safety feature not working not a safety issue? How do you work that one out?

The recall is not specifically for vehicles with broken backup cameras. It is to deal with cars that have working cameras, but contain a flaw wherein closing the trunk could damage the cable and cause the backup camera to cease working. So TL;DR this should be fixed ASAP (hence the recall) but presumably those cars with currently-working cameras are perfectly safe to drive until then. The Model S hood issue, on the other hand, that’s more serious.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by wumpus »

MBCook wrote: post #95
onphonenow wrote: post #74

The rear camera MAY fail issue seems pretty benign. When it fails go get it fixed? Or is that no longer a permitted approach. These recalls used to be for things major. Now we are getting a recall over what would be a warranty claim? Can they not just extend warranty coverage in this year to something like 10 years?

Backup cameras are considered required safety equipment, I assume, since they’ve been required for years. So I don’t think Tesla has any choice in this. The much smaller Model S recall seems like the bigger deal to me. Obviously having the frunk open while you’re driving would be pretty bad.

There are two hood latches, like all cars. This recall affects one of them. 0 known incidents. Definitely ought to have a recall.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by tacker2000 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #37
HWR_14 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is a lot to complain about, why wouldn't you want to buy something else?

Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious ), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc. My Model S frunk recall appointment with a m…

Check out the Audi etron GT. Its built on the same platform as the Taycan, but much sexier and also cheaper.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by lillecarl »

Rygian wrote: post #106
lillecarl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to the story. Ford, Toyota and Honda makes significantly more cars and models than Tesla.

Is your implication that Ford, Toyota and Honda, by being longer in business and having much more experience, should be needing less recalls?

Well yes, and they have (per unit sold).

They're still not valued to one trillion dollars.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by mym1990 »

matsemann wrote: post #62
LanceJones wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you're making broad, sweeping generalizations, I can play. There are 7 people in my social circle who are Tesla owners but not fiercely loyal. They are not rich. And none of them have experienced more than minor issues in their ownership.

If you own a Tesla you're almost by definition rich. If everyone in your social circle is driving expensive/new cars, you're all rich. Not to go all "check your privileges", but seriously..

Using someone car ownership as a gauge of possible wealth can be incredibly misleading. Plenty of people go into dealerships and walk out with a wonderful car and debilitating monthly payments.

Re: Tesla recalls nearly half a million Model 3 and Model S cars

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Post by stonogo »

whiskyant wrote: post #115
rsynnott wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Tesla would be the only all-premium vendor of significant size in the US market? And almost certainly the only one to sell a significant fraction of >100k cars.

The model 3 and y are on that list as well, and are closer to $50k.

Placing them just about halfway up the BMW car scale. These are luxury goods.
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