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Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by ByThyGrace »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #104
fartcannon wrote: post #89

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People are complaining because they don't want adtech in everything. It has nothing to do with it being old news - it's news until the industry is leashed. Microsoft joining in isn't things getting better, it's things getting worse because it confirms a lot of suspicions people have.

what's adtech in everything? a friend of mine is a salesman for billboard ads. people see it every day if they happens to drive by one of the billboard ad that he sold. does that count as adtech?

Maybe. Does the billboard get in your pocket and follow you around, keeping track of your location? Does it parse your email for metadata? Does it insert itself in between your news feed because you happen to be in its target group? Does it ask you to accept its Terms and Conditions of Billboard Use and its Privacy Policy?

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by johncena33 »

endisneigh wrote: post #100
johncena33 wrote: post #92

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Interesting how when MS is on ad market justifications like this pop up all the time on HN. Meanwhile, quarter of HN is nothing but a jihad against Google for its advertising business.

It’s almost as if hn is made of of different people

Yes, there are two groups: pro-MS and anti-Google. And maybe there is a large overlap between these groups. Not some privacy warriors as many of these anti-Google jihadists claim or pretend to be.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by syshum »

pjmlp wrote: post #71
syshum wrote: post #31

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Do they though really... Microsoft Linux contribution is almost completely around making run better on azure or wsl not making Linux itself better. For open source they are attempting to control the mind share with dotnet, vscode, GitHub aka embrace phase We have started seeing signs of the extended phase in all 3 projects We all know what phase 3 of eee is

Android and ChromeOS, Google got there first. Azure Sphere OS is also based on Linux kernel, not only cloud stuff. Another non Windows OS is Azure RTOS.

The whataboutism on Google is not really even worth responding to but pointing on another evil company is also abusing open source .... ok. Google has been openly hostile GPL for decades.

As to the other 2 projects, I am not sure how this refutes my statements, which is Microsoft linux contributions are about making their commercial offerings better, and are not useful to anyone outside of those Commercial Offering (Azure and WSL)

So how does pointing to Azure RTOS, and Azure Sphere refute that claim?

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by syshum »

pjmlp wrote: post #70
syshum wrote: post #27

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Ironically modern Linux is trying to alienate the grey beards with uneditable config files, breaking decades of convention, etc.

Only those that never used UNIX commercial clones, which have deviated from System V long time ago.

What?

Systemd, netplan, and many other things.

I am not sure what UNIX clones have to do with this

The latest version of Ubuntu you can not even set the IP with standard etc config, you have to use netplan YAML configuration

systemd has replaced all kinds of things with non "grey beard" configurations,

the list is pretty extensive

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by wayoutthere »

devwastaken wrote: post #88
S_A_P wrote: post #17

Microsoft is on an interesting trajectory of late, but it also seems like there is some bifurcation as to what they're doing. On one hand they are trying to embrace Linux and pushing development tools forward, but on the other they are just making every slimy big tech type decision they can. I have my own personal axe to grind with them as they tricked my completely non tech savvy mother in law to upgrade her Surface…

Microsoft is giving the Linux heads a job in porting Linux environments to windows to deincentivize using Linux desktop and servers. It's in direct competition with redhat. Absorb and destroy.

At this point I would absolutely welcome that. Microsoft is actually pretty good with long term service and support of enterprise tech, and compared to Oracle they’re almost benevolent.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by astlouis44 »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #99
lotsofpulp wrote: post #75

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> They kinda already do at this point. Their sources of profit are from very different products and services though. Microsoft and Alphabet and Amazon have cloud computing. Alphabet and Meta earn money from ads. Apple is the only one making money on selling hardware. Microsoft sells software, with the bedrock being Excel. Amazon is selling logistics, physically via warehousing and delivery and virtually via a website…

"Apple is the only one making money on selling hardware." MS is selling Surface. Google is selling Pixel. They aren't necessarily successful but they are trying. The only outlier is Facebook which doesn't try to sell hardware or services.

Uhhhh… what are you talking about? Have you ever heard of Oculus VR (now called Meta Quest) or Facebook Portal? They are most certainly in hardware.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by [deleted] »

philjohn wrote: post #66
capableweb wrote: post #8

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> So how can it be remotely plausible that Linux will become a mainstream desktop/laptop OS? Because of time and inevitable changes happening to everything over time. Remember when Windows was nothing and everyone was using something else? Remember when macOS was nothing and everyone was using something else? Same thing can happen with Linux, or some other operating system. Sure, might take 10, 50, 100 years, but eve…

It's still a long way off - have a look at the recent Linus Tech Tips challenge where he and Luke had to daily drive Linux for a month. They're technical people, and yes, LTT is hammed up a bit (I call it the Top Gear of Tech), but the number of issues they ran into that you just don't on Windows (in most cases) was illuminating. I have no troubles running a Linux home server, but I don't have time to fiddle around s…

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Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by fartcannon »

philjohn wrote: post #66
capableweb wrote: post #8

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> So how can it be remotely plausible that Linux will become a mainstream desktop/laptop OS? Because of time and inevitable changes happening to everything over time. Remember when Windows was nothing and everyone was using something else? Remember when macOS was nothing and everyone was using something else? Same thing can happen with Linux, or some other operating system. Sure, might take 10, 50, 100 years, but eve…

It's still a long way off - have a look at the recent Linus Tech Tips challenge where he and Luke had to daily drive Linux for a month. They're technical people, and yes, LTT is hammed up a bit (I call it the Top Gear of Tech), but the number of issues they ran into that you just don't on Windows (in most cases) was illuminating. I have no troubles running a Linux home server, but I don't have time to fiddle around s…

1) Luke didn't have any real problems and continues to use Linux now after the challenge because he likes it more. 2) Linus is the guy in a horror movie who suggests the group split up. He doesn't represent the average tech user, he represents the average tech user wannabe.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by HWR_14 »

MangoCoffee wrote: post #104
fartcannon wrote: post #89

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People are complaining because they don't want adtech in everything. It has nothing to do with it being old news - it's news until the industry is leashed. Microsoft joining in isn't things getting better, it's things getting worse because it confirms a lot of suspicions people have.

what's adtech in everything? a friend of mine is a salesman for billboard ads. people see it every day if they happens to drive by one of the billboard ad that he sold. does that count as adtech?

Other than people making money off of them, I know of no one who is excited by the existence of billboards. In fact, they are usually a source of complaints. (There was some use for them pre-cell phones to find restaurants/gas/lodging during road trips.)

But even there, most people object to the personalized ads and the tech that measures it. People don't seem upset about ads in print magazines (that are tied only into the consumed content) or ads in podcasts.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by HWR_14 »

mlazos wrote: post #56
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #25

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"Some bifurcation" is quite an understatement! Unless you're trying to partition all actions into "good" and "bad", it's more like octofurcation or dodecafurcation. Microsoft is not a homogenous monolith...what does it even mean to split something that's already split apart? Here's an old org chart which shows Microsoft trifurcated: https://i.insider.com/4e0b340dcadcbbdd35120000 But realistically, each of 5 divisions…

I currently work at Microsoft, and all I can say is that I actually have so much respect for CEOs lately. It takes a huge amount of foresight and understanding of human nature to move a company this size in the right direction, because you’re trying to incentivize all these divisions to behave the way you intend. As I’ve become more experienced I’ve learned that company culture is way more important than I thought wh…

> the right direction

I used to have a great relationship with Microsoft. I gave them money, they gave me software and went away (patches aside). Now they want to monitor me and advertise to me. It's fairly sad. And certainly not what I would call the right direction.

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