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Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Every day since Windows 11's release, Microsoft is alienating people and indirectly making desktop Linux the better option.

Microsoft is also embracing Linux and Open Source. The endgame is Tivoization.

Do they though really...

Microsoft Linux contribution is almost completely around making run better on azure or wsl not making Linux itself better.

For open source they are attempting to control the mind share with dotnet, vscode, GitHub aka embrace phase

We have started seeing signs of the extended phase in all 3 projects

We all know what phase 3 of eee is

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a software engineer and have many software engineering friends and acquaintances and still even in this group of people who are almost all at least comfortable with Linux hardly any use it for anything except work or learning. It's roughly a 50/50 split for the rest between Windows and macOS. So how can it be remotely plausible that Linux will become a mainstream desktop/laptop OS? Non IT workers also seem to fav…

Desktop Linux is great for Grandma who only needs a web browser and it's great for greybeards who remember what config file to edit, but anyone in between is going to be doing a LOT of pasting incantations they don't understand into terminal windows.

I'm a retired software developer. I have my computer and my non-techie wife's computer running Linux Mint. For me, doing some hobby coding, yes, I paste some incantations, but for her, I don't have to do anything. A clean install just works fine as is.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Microsoft is on an interesting trajectory of late, but it also seems like there is some bifurcation as to what they're doing. On one hand they are trying to embrace Linux and pushing development tools forward, but on the other they are just making every slimy big tech type decision they can. I have my own personal axe to grind with them as they tricked my completely non tech savvy mother in law to upgrade her Surface…

"Some bifurcation" is quite an understatement! Unless you're trying to partition all actions into "good" and "bad", it's more like octofurcation or dodecafurcation. Microsoft is not a homogenous monolith...what does it even mean to split something that's already split apart? Here's an old org chart which shows Microsoft trifurcated: https://i.insider.com/4e0b340dcadcbbdd35120000 But realistically, each of 5 divisions…

This is a great point- I dramatically oversimplified what is going on. I do wonder how this is discussed internally. Since I started working as a dev back in the late 90s I feel like a lot of the optimism I had from tech improving our lives has largely been erased. Its probably just me getting old and pessimistic though :).

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Why? Windows 11 as an advertising business wasn't nasty enough for Microsoft? I installed it on one of my sparingly used machines and it's as blatant as it gets. The Edge push, all the installed crapware, the telemetry and God knows what else - either way it didn't feel like I was running my own OS - instead it felt like I was running a rented one at a Kinkos.

> The Edge push

This is one area I give MS a pass. Google engaged in aggressive Chrome pushing for years, people seem to forget now that it’s so ubiquitous they don’t really need to anymore. It’s good someone is fighting back. Especially since, while I much prefer Firefox, Edge is actually decent.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Why? Windows 11 as an advertising business wasn't nasty enough for Microsoft? I installed it on one of my sparingly used machines and it's as blatant as it gets. The Edge push, all the installed crapware, the telemetry and God knows what else - either way it didn't feel like I was running my own OS - instead it felt like I was running a rented one at a Kinkos.

I think that might be a great reason why! To make windows a unified advertising identifier.

ATT (and verizon tried too) got these ad platforms because they wanted to unite their 1st party user device data to an advertising graph.

They tried to enable targeting individuals (on harder to 1:1 target devices too). But they never seemed to actually merge the two 'pipes' together that well.

Because google & apple have blocked more targeted advertising for everyone but themselves, creating a competing platform that doesn't rely on 3p cookies or IDFA etc would be really valuable.

FB direct response ads are totally dead for us. Apple & google killed it. We use Xandr and they do have some broad demo 1p targeting segments, device expansion, but it's nothing like FB. Still have to use a 3rd party to load 1:1 lists, at least we do.

Google already has a huge login base on the web. In addition, AFAIK google includes a uuid in chrome that only google properties can read - I have never found info on if they use that for ad targeting, or correct my memory if i'm wrong on that?

Microsoft could create something like that. They would probably have to expand IE use or do something shady in between chrome and the web.

Maybe if they want to get into streaming too - blurg.

OR a better idea imho would be a microsoft smart tv, MSFT SSP + exclusive to xandr inventory included. There is some gaming advertising too that could be thought out and expanded. Maybe bundle xbox inside a tv, sell it at a loss to stream ads.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Every day since Windows 11's release, Microsoft is alienating people and indirectly making desktop Linux the better option.

I use Linux Mint. I don't think there's much if anything that makes Linux mint harder for a non-tech user. I think it's already the better option.

But for non-tech users, I think buying a device with one OS and then wiping it to install a different OS is scary. Or doing anything that sounds risky to their daily laptop. So, where is the non-scary option for them to start with Linux? The laptops with Linux pre-installed, they aren't well known (or cheap).

Does a Chromebook count as desktop linux?

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Fundamentally it's just difficult to maintain the modern internet without advertising. You have content creators busting their backs with millions of hours of video and content for free, and hosted for free. Obviously there needs to be a way for all of that to be paid for. Whether due to income equality, laziness, greed or something else, the vast majority of people aren't going to engage in micro transactions.

The answer isn't microtransactions. Even if you solve the payment problem, Microtransactions involves huge amounts of new friction and creating an entirely new selling process and method.

I think the answer is in federation and mutually owned infrastructure.

People are comfortable paying Netflix/Hulu/Crunchyroll $10-15 per month. They don't have to worry about "do I want to watch this episode enough to spend 45 cents for it?" or "do I need to make and manage a whole new account just to watch a different show?" The fact the money eventually gets divvied up to content creators is handwaved away behind the scenes.

Federation gives other creators the opportunity to sell a similar one-stop-shopping experience you that. I could imagine, say, a subscription where I'd get through the paywall not just on my local newspaper, but the dozens of other papers that might print one or two articles a month that I care about. Or a Patreon-style service where you unlocked everyone for a flat fee, and they use analytics to determine how much of the fee goes to each creator each month.

The problem is that most of the content is living on third-party platforms. An OnlyFans or YouTube, for example, could offer a subscription around that model, but they'd just vaccuum up most of the revenue generated for themselves. The creators have to own the platform themselves to prevent that sort of diversion.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Why? Windows 11 as an advertising business wasn't nasty enough for Microsoft? I installed it on one of my sparingly used machines and it's as blatant as it gets. The Edge push, all the installed crapware, the telemetry and God knows what else - either way it didn't feel like I was running my own OS - instead it felt like I was running a rented one at a Kinkos.

This is part of their Linux marketing plan. Make windows worse (challenging work!), and push people to Linux. End goal being irrelevance.

Very noble!

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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post #17

Microsoft is on an interesting trajectory of late, but it also seems like there is some bifurcation as to what they're doing. On one hand they are trying to embrace Linux and pushing development tools forward, but on the other they are just making every slimy big tech type decision they can. I have my own personal axe to grind with them as they tricked my completely non tech savvy mother in law to upgrade her Surface…

I feel it's strange that this kind of hyperbolic response to a network adapter driver bug is considered normal discourse.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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post #37

Fundamentally it's just difficult to maintain the modern internet without advertising. You have content creators busting their backs with millions of hours of video and content for free, and hosted for free. Obviously there needs to be a way for all of that to be paid for. Whether due to income equality, laziness, greed or something else, the vast majority of people aren't going to engage in micro transactions.

The answer isn't microtransactions. Even if you solve the payment problem, Microtransactions involves huge amounts of new friction and creating an entirely new selling process and method. I think the answer is in federation and mutually owned infrastructure. People are comfortable paying Netflix/Hulu/Crunchyroll $10-15 per month. They don't have to worry about "do I want to watch this episode enough to spend 45 cents…

How is federation the solution? Federation isn’t free to setup or manage and so now you’re back to square one.

It’s funny that you use Netflix as an example because that’s what they originally tried to do and it didn’t work.

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