Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016) • Hacker News Board

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by yucky » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

joseloyaio wrote: post #59

It's Nick Szabo. He uses his initials for his Pseudonyms (N.S) Nakamoto Satoshi = Bitcoin Nicolas Saberhagen = Monero

The most likely explanation I've read is that Szabo was involved on the Bitcoin project, at the behest of US Intelligence (perhaps team lead, working within a defined set of goals - it's speculation for now). Bitcoin is a very effective means of destabilizing currencies and extracting wealth out of non-friendly areas, so for the US Intelligence community it is a boon.

Szabo later went on to improve on the concept with Monero, without the involvement of US Intelligence (obviously, since Monero is very unfriendly for the US Govt). Again, speculation. The only person capable of creating both, is likely Szabo. Monero being a big middle finger to "the team" behind Bitcoin, who still control the keys.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by MrMan » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

wallacoloo wrote: post #105

nullc wrote: post #87

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> remains pseudonymous under the extreme pressure of thousands trying to de-anonymize him, that’s the only way we can really be sure that anonymization is still possible in the modern age. Other unwilling human beings aren't appropriate test subjects for your conjectures about security and privacy. If you'd like to test a security hypothesis, offer up yourself or your family for attack-- don't nominate other people.

see: > i agree with the sentiment, however, it’s wishful thinking. if you’re trying to persuade me that i shouldn’t use SN as an unwilling test subject, save your breath: i’m not engaged in any effort to de-anonymize him. his project is founded on adversarial mechanics within an extrajudicial (i.e. lawless) space: it’s naive to think those mechanics won’t bleed over from the project to its adjacencies. that’s the poi…

finally someone speaking my language

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by AcedJF » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 9:58 PM UTC

34.168904,-118.455922

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by gimmeThaBeet » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

aeternum wrote: post #89

tablespoon wrote: post #71

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> Elon Musk mentioned Nick Szabo on Lex Fridman's podcast as Szabo was also doing Bit Gold prior and is heavy into crypto and currencies. [3] >> "Obviously I don't know who created bitcoin ... it seems as though Nick Szabo is probably more than anyone else responsible for the evolution of those ideas," said Musk, adding, "he claims not to be Nakamoto ... but he seems to be the one more responsible for the ideas behin…

He was one of the creators of PayPal, so digital money is his field. If you read the quote carefully, he is also not speculating on Nakamoto. Elon instead states that Nick Szabo contributed to the ideas behind cryptocurrencies. This generally is not disputed.

I think no matter how you feel about Elon Musk, I feel it can sort of be universally appreciated how insane of a pivot/second act he's had where being a part of paypal's early days is basically a footnote.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by vmception » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 10:02 PM UTC

diab0lic wrote: post #117

vmception wrote: post #110

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Correct, with all single signer ownership you can never be sure how many custodians there are So you’re right and we would never be able to prove that any amount has changed hands or not, only assume that others wouldn't take the risk

I think what they were trying to say was that buying them off chain would be extremely unfavorable as the buyer gains zero of the protections that a blockchain claims to offer in this case.

And my original post wrote that bitcoin works in trusted environments, and maybe they didn't know that meant small networks of humans trusting each other with private keys off of the blockchain even though that was the only context possible, now they know so we’re just intentionally talking past each other at this point

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by finite_jest » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

1066 wrote: post #106

orionsbelt wrote: post #99

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Is there a theory for why Nick Szabo would be public about Bit Gold but go to great efforts to hide himself when creating Bitcoin? It seems unlikely to me that someone who previously had no issue being public would suddenly be so secretive, especially given how unlikely it was for Bitcoin to turn out the way it did.

As unlikely as traction to Bitcoin was/is, surely he would have understood the implications it could have to the practitioner of this idea? "bitcoins can not be manipulated by governments or financial institutions and bitcoin transactions occur directly between two parties without a middleman." If he figured that he could make it functionally work with Bit Gold, why would you expose yourself to that. [1] https://web.…

There is a counterargument to that: Craig Wright. He openly claims to be Satoshi (almost certainly fraudulently), and he seems to be doing kinda OK. [1]

[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/06/miami-jury-rules-in-favor-of...

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by mrkramer » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

If you want to find out who Satoshi is follow the money. How he, she or they bought bitcoin.org domain and bitcoin.org hosting? Cash in mail, credit card or bank transfer. All things that are tracked and recorded somewhere in someone's database or archive.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by finite_jest » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 10:25 PM UTC

Jerrrry wrote: post #95

joseloyaio wrote: post #59

It's Nick Szabo. He uses his initials for his Pseudonyms (N.S) Nakamoto Satoshi = Bitcoin Nicolas Saberhagen = Monero

I am glad Obama gave Nick SS protection.

That's one of most amusing conspiracy theories I've heard in a while :-)

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by xunn0026 » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 10:26 PM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #83

xunn0026 wrote: post #46

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It's certainly not helping. Bitcoin is astoundingly energy hungry and produces effectively nothing with the energy consumed. Textbook definition of wasteful behavior.

Assuming humans are somewhat rational it must produce something! At its worse interpretation it could be a casino.

Humanity does a whole lot of wasteful things. Should we ban music, too? Parks perhaps? Switch to plain clothing?

In other words, who are you to decide what's wasteful and what should be banned?

I would more consider the ad industry to fit this definition. Yet I saw no computation how much energy and human brains it is wasting.

Re: Satoshi leaked his Los Angeles IP address (2016)

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Post by greyface- » Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 10:27 PM UTC

AcedJF wrote: post #123

34.168904,-118.455922

A decade-old dynamic IP is one thing. Current GPS coordinates to someone's personal residence are another. I don't think this is appropriate to post on HN.