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Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by pjmlp »

syshum wrote: post #31
antattack wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is also embracing Linux and Open Source. The endgame is Tivoization.

Do they though really... Microsoft Linux contribution is almost completely around making run better on azure or wsl not making Linux itself better. For open source they are attempting to control the mind share with dotnet, vscode, GitHub aka embrace phase We have started seeing signs of the extended phase in all 3 projects We all know what phase 3 of eee is

Android and ChromeOS, Google got there first.

Azure Sphere OS is also based on Linux kernel, not only cloud stuff.

Another non Windows OS is Azure RTOS.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by MarkSweep »

pjmlp wrote: post #67
PaulHoule wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes me think of the disaster of the Linux desktop and X Windows. The first thing you notice about Linux is all the different widget sets that clash with each other such as Motif, Lesstif, tk, gtk, qt, fltk, wxWidgets and many more. They all seem to be in a competition to look worse than all of the competitors. They also seem to share the belief that "font metrics don't matter" and be completely indifferent if la…

I have to agree, despite my occasional pro-Windows comments. Here are two more nice pieces, despite VS being a WPF application, the team that owns the installer decided it was a great idea to rewrite it in Electron. And C++/WinRT tooling is so back to the 90's that even using MFC feels more fun. Apparently no one in WinDev can afford C++ Builder or Qt licenses to get how pre-historic they live. So we get Forms, WPF,…

At least some sanity prevailed and the VS installer is now a WPF app.

Blazor on the desktop is a bit of a head scratcher.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by cbsks »

S_A_P wrote: post #17

Microsoft is on an interesting trajectory of late, but it also seems like there is some bifurcation as to what they're doing. On one hand they are trying to embrace Linux and pushing development tools forward, but on the other they are just making every slimy big tech type decision they can. I have my own personal axe to grind with them as they tricked my completely non tech savvy mother in law to upgrade her Surface…

My wife’s surface book 3 auto-updated to windows 11. She complained to me that games were running slowly and it turned out that the nvidia driver wasn’t installed anymore so she was stuck using the intel graphics card.

It was an easy fix for me, but it would have been nearly impossible for a non-tech-savvy person to figure out. You would think that Microsoft would do a better job of testing their own OS on their own hardware.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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spaetzleesser wrote: post #24

The tech big companies are getting too big for their own good. Their core business is not large enough to satisfy the growth demands so they have to branch out into other sectors. Give it a few years and Apple, MS, Google and others will basically offer the same products and services. I really wish they would get broken up so one division doesn't have to do shady things to satisfy the needs of other divisions.

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Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by lotsofpulp »

pm90 wrote: post #69
spaetzleesser wrote: post #24

The tech big companies are getting too big for their own good. Their core business is not large enough to satisfy the growth demands so they have to branch out into other sectors. Give it a few years and Apple, MS, Google and others will basically offer the same products and services. I really wish they would get broken up so one division doesn't have to do shady things to satisfy the needs of other divisions.

They kinda already do at this point. It’s inevitable that they would do this considering that they’re business is powered by the same fuel: software developers. Honestly I think this is a good way to create more competition in the advertising space which is currently dominated by Google and Facebook. At some point some “smart” executives are going to decide it’s better to cooperate rather than compete… that’s when co…

> They kinda already do at this point.

Their sources of profit are from very different products and services though.

Microsoft and Alphabet and Amazon have cloud computing.

Alphabet and Meta earn money from ads.

Apple is the only one making money on selling hardware.

Microsoft sells software, with the bedrock being Excel.

Amazon is selling logistics, physically via warehousing and delivery and virtually via a website others can sell on.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by pjmlp »

MarkSweep wrote: post #72
pjmlp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to agree, despite my occasional pro-Windows comments. Here are two more nice pieces, despite VS being a WPF application, the team that owns the installer decided it was a great idea to rewrite it in Electron. And C++/WinRT tooling is so back to the 90's that even using MFC feels more fun. Apparently no one in WinDev can afford C++ Builder or Qt licenses to get how pre-historic they live. So we get Forms, WPF,…

At least some sanity prevailed and the VS installer is now a WPF app. Blazor on the desktop is a bit of a head scratcher.

> At least some sanity prevailed and the VS installer is now a WPF app.

It is an Electron app, check its use of nodejs when running it.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by PaulHoule »

pjmlp wrote: post #67
PaulHoule wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes me think of the disaster of the Linux desktop and X Windows. The first thing you notice about Linux is all the different widget sets that clash with each other such as Motif, Lesstif, tk, gtk, qt, fltk, wxWidgets and many more. They all seem to be in a competition to look worse than all of the competitors. They also seem to share the belief that "font metrics don't matter" and be completely indifferent if la…

I have to agree, despite my occasional pro-Windows comments. Here are two more nice pieces, despite VS being a WPF application, the team that owns the installer decided it was a great idea to rewrite it in Electron. And C++/WinRT tooling is so back to the 90's that even using MFC feels more fun. Apparently no one in WinDev can afford C++ Builder or Qt licenses to get how pre-historic they live. So we get Forms, WPF,…

That said I think Windows is still the market leader and better than the others. I don't know much about the story of MacOS but I doubt it's that different. I have a mac right next to me, my wife uses it to read her email, I use it to test web sites on Safari, and I can't say it is any better than the Windows machine I use.

The finder is OK but many of the built-in apps like iTunes are "absolute p00p" and seem to drive away good competitive software.

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by criddell »

pjmlp wrote: post #67
PaulHoule wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes me think of the disaster of the Linux desktop and X Windows. The first thing you notice about Linux is all the different widget sets that clash with each other such as Motif, Lesstif, tk, gtk, qt, fltk, wxWidgets and many more. They all seem to be in a competition to look worse than all of the competitors. They also seem to share the belief that "font metrics don't matter" and be completely indifferent if la…

I have to agree, despite my occasional pro-Windows comments. Here are two more nice pieces, despite VS being a WPF application, the team that owns the installer decided it was a great idea to rewrite it in Electron. And C++/WinRT tooling is so back to the 90's that even using MFC feels more fun. Apparently no one in WinDev can afford C++ Builder or Qt licenses to get how pre-historic they live. So we get Forms, WPF,…

> And C++/WinRT tooling is so back to the 90's that even using MFC feels more fun.

I work on a large MFC project and it's still a surprisingly nice way to develop desktop applications. It's fast, old, and stable.

Using some of the newer Windows APIs in MFC can be painful though (e.g. XAML Islands).

Re: Microsoft buys Xandr, AT&T’s advanced advertising business

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

PaulHoule wrote: post #78
pjmlp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to agree, despite my occasional pro-Windows comments. Here are two more nice pieces, despite VS being a WPF application, the team that owns the installer decided it was a great idea to rewrite it in Electron. And C++/WinRT tooling is so back to the 90's that even using MFC feels more fun. Apparently no one in WinDev can afford C++ Builder or Qt licenses to get how pre-historic they live. So we get Forms, WPF,…

That said I think Windows is still the market leader and better than the others. I don't know much about the story of MacOS but I doubt it's that different. I have a mac right next to me, my wife uses it to read her email, I use it to test web sites on Safari, and I can't say it is any better than the Windows machine I use. The finder is OK but many of the built-in apps like iTunes are "absolute p00p" and seem to dri…

For the last twenty years Cocoa has been the UI framework for macOS with a transition to SwiftUI starting a couple of years ago.

Apple has definitely been more consistent on this front.

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