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Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

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Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

#51

Interesting, Apple pays $180k over 4 years to prevent good engineers from going to Meta. Meanwhile, Meta gives >$1M in discretionary equity to top performers to prevent them from leaving. I don't think Apple picked a big enough number here.

Yep. $180k would be a pretty small Additional/Discretionary equity grant at Meta

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

#52
Amazon upped their L5 and L6 pay bands by 100k on the upper end. These companies are having trouble retaining and attracting talent, word has also spread on the internet about poor treatment of employees. 30k a year is nothing when someone else will give you a 150k raise.

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#53

Apple is the biggest brand in the world and consumers love the company more than any other brand. Meta/Facebook is a peanut when it comes to the consumer hardware space. AR/VR will probably replace the smartphone in 10 years but I don’t think Apple has anything to worry about. Apple will cannibalize the iPhone themselves.

> AR/VR will probably replace the smartphone in 10 years

What? How? Why? Those devices have completely different uses...

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

#54
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Meta has a moral/ethical cost as well as a branding tax.

I don't have an insider perspective on this, but from where I'm sitting, it sure looks like the giant bag of money is sufficient and Meta/Facebook hasn't had to worry about any of those things for a long time.

The giant bag of money is the tax. If they weren't having problems with retention and hiring because of the ethical dilemma, they wouldn't have to offer such a large retention bonus.

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#55

Apple is clearly an incredibly successful company but to take an example why would an energetic young developer ever choose to work on Apple Music over Spotify? I say this as an Apple Music subscriber but one is a company that is existentially all in and the other that sees a revenue stream. This is evident in the quality of the respective products. If you’re not in the AR/car divisions then what is the point.

Being number one can be downright boring. Spotify is incentivized to not rock the boat and keep the profits coming. It's very, very difficult to affect big and powerful change in that environment.

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> now the area around it is falling apart Lol. As a current Cupertino resident and non-Apple employee, this is the nicest place I’ve ever lived. Massive perfect roads, extremely low crime or homelessness, modern buildings, and easy access to freeways. It’s not at all like downtown SF

Coming from Menlo Park even, Cupertino feels a bit too dull and suburban, but it is astonishingly well maintained in comparison to anywhere else in the bay area. No doubt that the city is doing a great job.

I agree, extremely suburban outside the Main St area, but in terms of cleanliness and modernness it’s a very upscale and well maintained area.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

#57

Well, I’d love to work for Apple, but I have no interest into moving from Minnesota suburbs to the Bay Area with all of its sanitation and ludicrous cost of living problems. If I was Apple… it was the wrong time to build fancy headquarters. You got a few years, and now the area around it is falling apart and your employees have fallen in love with remote work.

… sanitation problems? Next to Apple Campus? You should go on vacation there :)

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

#58

On one hand it seems like it would have happened already, but I still have to wonder if the FAANG arms race will have consequences in 5-10 years when all these overpaid engineers call in rich and decide to go work on something more interesting and with less bureaucracy in the way.

How do you imagine it playing out? It's unlikely to happen at huge scale since most people won't happily take a huge paycut regardless of how well-off they are. And there's enough people who want to work at those companies to replace the ones that leave.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

#59

Speaking of employee stock options, Does anyone have a recommended resource that details what practically happens to my options when a company IPOs? I know there’s a lot of variables but I imagine there’s some common patterns and things to be aware of. The entire thing is Greek to me and might become very important soon.

I'm sure there's variables, but your company will most likely setup something with a brokerage and then you'll have to create an account there and have an employer equity account which will track your options. When you exercise them, the shares will go into your regular brokerage account and you can trade them like anything else (potentially subject to trading windows and other temporal conditions). Once you've got shares, you can transfer them out to a different brokerage if you like paperwork.

Hopefully at a decent brokerage like e-trade or fidelity or schwab or even whatever Merril Lynch is called these days, and not ComputerShare, which is terrible.

Re: Some Apple engineers rewarded up to $180k in stock bonuses as incentive to stay

#60

> "Most engineers received stock worth $80,000 to $120,000, with the bonuses provided as restricted stock units that are set to vest over the course of four years provided the employees stay with Apple and do not take jobs at other companies." Is that really a significant amount enough to ward off being poached? 120k over 4 years is 30k a year if linear. I would think at the pay scales being discussed they would get…

30k works better than you would think even though its "not that much" for these workers because of the loss aversion bias.
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