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Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by pmyteh »

DenisM wrote: post #13
aurizon wrote: post #2

4 of my friends who smoked 1-2 packs/day were able to transition to smoking alternatives, 2 went to nicotine pills, 4 Mg from Walmart, stayed on 2-3 of those/day from the morning. The other 2 went to suck-in inhalers. None of them went to visible cloud of smoke emitters. They all eliminated their prior shortness of breath problem, when biking/jogging. I never ever smoked, but I find the 4 Mg pills are good for appeti…

> you could quickly use a lower gear freewheel on the other side -(if you rotated to drive the other axle) Wait, what? You had a sprocket on each side of your rear wheel and you flipped the wheel around to change gears? Or did you exchange front/rear wheel, each having a different sprocket?

Yup (to the first). Fixie riders can achieve two 'gears' by mounting a sprocket on both sides of the rear wheel and flipping the wheel round if needed. More, as always, from Sheldon Brown: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/fixed-conversion.html#flip-flop

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by loeg »

DenisM wrote: post #13
aurizon wrote: post #2

4 of my friends who smoked 1-2 packs/day were able to transition to smoking alternatives, 2 went to nicotine pills, 4 Mg from Walmart, stayed on 2-3 of those/day from the morning. The other 2 went to suck-in inhalers. None of them went to visible cloud of smoke emitters. They all eliminated their prior shortness of breath problem, when biking/jogging. I never ever smoked, but I find the 4 Mg pills are good for appeti…

> you could quickly use a lower gear freewheel on the other side -(if you rotated to drive the other axle) Wait, what? You had a sprocket on each side of your rear wheel and you flipped the wheel around to change gears? Or did you exchange front/rear wheel, each having a different sprocket?

It's a pretty common thing called a "flip-flop hub."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_hub

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by notyourwork »

0x0000000 wrote: post #15

The first time I quit smoking, I used an e-cig to help quit, and it was great. But eventually I started smoking again, and so I tried to use an e-cig like the previous time. But circumstances were different, e-cigs were different (nicotine salts), and now I consume 2x the nicotine than I did from a pack of smokes. It's too good. It's convenient, always on you, always ready to go. No unpleasant taste or smell. No need…

> No need to go outside in the winter.

Smokers/vapers, stop giving the rest of society more reasons to dislike your habits.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by a4isms »

DenisM wrote: post #13
aurizon wrote: post #2

4 of my friends who smoked 1-2 packs/day were able to transition to smoking alternatives, 2 went to nicotine pills, 4 Mg from Walmart, stayed on 2-3 of those/day from the morning. The other 2 went to suck-in inhalers. None of them went to visible cloud of smoke emitters. They all eliminated their prior shortness of breath problem, when biking/jogging. I never ever smoked, but I find the 4 Mg pills are good for appeti…

> you could quickly use a lower gear freewheel on the other side -(if you rotated to drive the other axle) Wait, what? You had a sprocket on each side of your rear wheel and you flipped the wheel around to change gears? Or did you exchange front/rear wheel, each having a different sprocket?

Flip-flop hubs are a thing:

https://cyclistzone.com/what-is-a-flip-flop-hub/

In my case (scroll back 35 years), I would ride a fixed gear around the city, but change to the single-speed freewheel for Toronto's legendary "Doughnut Ride" that left Laird & Eglinton every weekend rain or shine, snow, sleet, or hail.

In very olden times, riders would dismount and flip their wheels around in the middle of a Grand Tour before climbing the big mountain. But in contemporary riding, flip-flop hubs are just a convenience of sorts that make it easy to decide what gear you want to use for each ride, I have never flipped the wheel in the middle of a ride.

p.s. I still have one bike with a flip-flop hub: It's a 24" trials bike, and while I run an 18t freewheel on the cranks, the flip-flop lets me choose between a 15t for pure trials work or a 12t for goofing around and having a tall enough gear to ride places, like on my local double black-diamond MTB trails.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by CBLT »

stavros wrote: post #12
yosito wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never occurred to me to use nicotine pills as an appetite suppressant, though I don't doubt at all that it works. I wonder what other side effects it might have, aside from being potentially habit forming. Does it increase blood pressure? That's the main thing that keeps me from ever indulging in tobacco use.

Is there a pill that makes me wait for hunger before I eat? That's what I need :P

I personally cannot stand eating food if I'm about to engage in physical exercise, unless I'm legitimately seriously hungry. So if I have a random midday idea-of-food, I picture myself about to sprint to the nearest park, or about to swim a few km. Then I check my stomach again - how hungry is it now? I generally don't want anything at that point, but sometimes it does (begrudgingly) need fuel for the imagined activity - only then do I eat.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by LarrySellers »

nathias wrote: post #4

Yes obviosly, as any smoker that was into vaping could and did tell you. I had the chance to follow the whole development of vaping from a niche scene to an industry and it really has been eye opening. How news and studies were deployed offensively to spread FUD and then regulated just enough that all the value created by innovators and communities could be captured by the big tobacco companies.

It's not obvious, that's why we're studying it. In fact some studies have shown that e-cigarettes may not lead to cessation.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/sgr/2020-smoking...

E-cigarette aerosols vary greatly, as well as the temperatures that various devices heat them to.

> as any smoker that was into vaping could and did tell you

Anecdotal evidence may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by stavros »

CBLT wrote: post #25
stavros wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a pill that makes me wait for hunger before I eat? That's what I need :P

I personally cannot stand eating food if I'm about to engage in physical exercise, unless I'm legitimately seriously hungry. So if I have a random midday idea-of-food, I picture myself about to sprint to the nearest park, or about to swim a few km. Then I check my stomach again - how hungry is it now? I generally don't want anything at that point, but sometimes it does (begrudgingly) need fuel for the imagined activi…

Hmm, I'll try that, it does sound like it'd work. Thanks!

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by nathias »

LarrySellers wrote: post #26
nathias wrote: post #4

Yes obviosly, as any smoker that was into vaping could and did tell you. I had the chance to follow the whole development of vaping from a niche scene to an industry and it really has been eye opening. How news and studies were deployed offensively to spread FUD and then regulated just enough that all the value created by innovators and communities could be captured by the big tobacco companies.

It's not obvious, that's why we're studying it. In fact some studies have shown that e-cigarettes may not lead to cessation. https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/sgr/2020-smoking... E-cigarette aerosols vary greatly, as well as the temperatures that various devices heat them to. > as any smoker that was into vaping could and did tell you Anecdotal evidence may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise no…

I've seen much more cherry picking from official studies than in my anecdotal evidence, but thanks.

Re: Association of e-cigarette use with quitting smoking

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Post by vonseel »

ugjka wrote: post #18
SonicTheSith wrote: post #14

4 years ago I quit smoking. While the first week was hell because of the nikotin withdrawal. Getting rid of the habit itself took longer. Waiting outiside, after a meal etc. it is all habit. What I did was buying a vape with nikotin free filling just to have something if my.mind craves the habit. This went on for 3 months reducing the amount I vaped linearly. By month 4 I stopped touching the vape and the only times…

I started with nicotine patches and after 2 weeks switched over to Wellbutrin (prescribed by psychiatrist). On Wellbutrin I had couple rough days but nothing too bad, I mostly used music for distracting myself from this hole that i felt. Now i'm 124 days clean and feel so happy to be free from this bullshit

I've quit nicotine more than once, but last time I quit with patches too. I switched from cigarettes to e-cig in 2018 and by late 2020 I was consuming way more nicotine than I did before - a JUUL pod or more per day.

I never smoked indoors so when I started e-cigs the habit only got worse and instead of a habit that required a break every hour or two to go outside and have a cigarette, I was just vaping all day throughout any activity.

I finally quit with patches ~10 months ago, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't still have cravings.

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