Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by jader201 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

terminalcommand wrote: post #47

pawelwentpawel wrote: post #39

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This is an excellent example of the difference between "working from home" and "working remotely". Those two terms unfortunately are used interchangeably as synonyms.

Yeah this is true. When I say people I'm working from home, they look with pitty. When I say, I'm working remotely, people's impression change. I don't know why this is like this, but it is true for me.

> When I say people I'm working from home, they look with pitty.

That sounds odd. Pity is usually expressed when you're in an unfortunate position you had/have no control over. Most people (should) understand that most people work from home not out of force, but out of choice.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by cma » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

iso1631 wrote: post #130

xwolfi wrote: post #48

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But then what s the point ? We re forced to work from home to avoid contaminating our colleagues but it s fine to crowd a coworking space ? Sounds very inefficient to me but I guess people like us are a minority. Gladly in my country we have 0 case (Hong Kong) so we work at the office now, thank God.

Good luck with that approach, I hope you enjoy your office. Yet the [zero covid] approach has largely cut off Hong Kong from both China and the world - a severe blow for a place that built its success on global connections. Even more than recent political changes, the authorities' refusal to adapt to living with the virus is eroding Hong Kong's viability as an international city, according to almost two dozen diploma…

> Yet the [zero covid] approach has largely cut off Hong Kong from both China and the world

Through most of things China itself had a zero covid approach too.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by tablespoonsruby » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

severino wrote: post #71

Problem with this is that you don't want to just work in an office, but also have other people from the company work with you at the office. It's different from people who prefer WFH because they don't care if the other guys also work remote or not. Anyway, at this point of the pandemic, I'd still not feel comfortable having lunch with coworkers in a closed space. I just prefer to have lunch myself alone, or at home,…

> It's different from people who prefer WFH because they don't care if the other guys also work remote or not.

But lots of remote-evangelists will say things like "If anybody is joining a meeting remotely, everybody needs to call in from their own separate computers". I might able to come in to the office but it still affects my experience.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by scaryclam » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:32 PM UTC

chrsig wrote: post #113

severino wrote: post #74

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> It’s just unpopular to say as much online these days because the people who do prefer WFH are sensitive about any suggestions that it isn’t universally superior. Maybe it's because people WFH don't care at all if you want to spend 2 hours commuting, or that you don't mind getting covid by staying 8h a day in a closed office with tons of people. But people who doesn't want WFH, not only want to be in a office, they…

This is the real crux. It's not that people who hate wfh want to be in the office, it's that people that hate wfh want me to be in the office. It's not that one's superior to the other, it's that one wants to force itself on the other.

To be fair, both want to force themselves on the other. Compromise is really important when considering how people work. The all-or-nothing attitude is unproductive and doesn't help either acheive their goals.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by tablespoonsruby » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:34 PM UTC

sdevonoes wrote: post #42

Don't get it. Even if remote is becoming more common, the vast majority of tech jobs out there are not 100% remote. Note: a lot of companies are advertising themselves as "100% remote while corona lasts" though.

I prefer office-based work but it's not the top thing on my list of priorities. I've found that a really high number of companies that otherwise have what I'm looking for are remote, so I've had to compromise.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:37 PM UTC

chrsig wrote: post #113

severino wrote: post #74

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> It’s just unpopular to say as much online these days because the people who do prefer WFH are sensitive about any suggestions that it isn’t universally superior. Maybe it's because people WFH don't care at all if you want to spend 2 hours commuting, or that you don't mind getting covid by staying 8h a day in a closed office with tons of people. But people who doesn't want WFH, not only want to be in a office, they…

This is the real crux. It's not that people who hate wfh want to be in the office, it's that people that hate wfh want me to be in the office. It's not that one's superior to the other, it's that one wants to force itself on the other.

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Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by thowaway202107 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

rsynnott wrote: post #138

severino wrote: post #74

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> It’s just unpopular to say as much online these days because the people who do prefer WFH are sensitive about any suggestions that it isn’t universally superior. Maybe it's because people WFH don't care at all if you want to spend 2 hours commuting, or that you don't mind getting covid by staying 8h a day in a closed office with tons of people. But people who doesn't want WFH, not only want to be in a office, they…

I’m not sure that’s true; some people do get weirdly evangelical about WFH. Personally, I’m glad that people who like WFH have increased opportunities to do it now, so long as I never have to do it again myself. Worst two years of my life.

> I’m not sure that’s true; some people do get weirdly evangelical about WFH.

I don’t think its evangelical as much as protective.

I for one have had to endure grueling years of working in open office environments. I’ve got pretty severe adhd and anxiety, that’s not a good place for me.

With covid, the world shifted to working how I prefer. I’m terrified it’ll go back to how it was.

So I’m sorry it’s been a rough couple years for you, but please understand that it’s been a rough lifetime for people like me.

Because office work is still the default mentality for most people, this new world that’s aligned to my needs is in constant jeopardy.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by KerrAvon » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #10

Aren't there numerous companies trying to force a return to the office? Filtering by "Remote" on LinkedIn wipes out a lot of positions.

Yes. OP has clearly not talked to any FAANG recruiters, for example. The default assumption is still that you’re moving to the Bay Area for in-office work, like it or not.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by KerrAvon » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

Tim Cook, is that you?

Seriously, as an extrovert, have you actually talked to any of your fellow extroverts? All of them want to be in the office at least part time. You’re in good company.

However, many people want full remote. And we all want more flexibility than FAANG is currently willing to provide.

Re: Ask HN: How to find a job in 2021 if I dislike remote?

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Post by dev_tty01 » Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 5:43 PM UTC

lexapro wrote: post #38

FpUser wrote: post #37

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>"really miss leaving work early on Fridays to go to the pub" I used to have this when I was employed (about 20 years ago). Somehow my personal take was that it gets tiring pretty fast. I've had enough friends outside of employment and wit the very rare exception would very much prefer to socialize with them rather than coworkers. I then went on my own and have never looked back. The fact that I am doing quite ok mea…

A lot of people don't have enough friends outside of employment.

True enough. But is this a problem with WFH vs in-office? Or this just an issue of people not prioritizing having a life outside of work? For most of us, it won't happen unless we actively commit energy to the process.

(I am commenting outside of the constraints of the pandemic. Covid obviously makes it much harder.)