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Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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I’m curious. How did you originally arrive at the conclusion that god didn’t exist?

Good question, hope you don’t mind me jumping in. For me as a teenager or even younger, reading about various faiths and mythologies, I was thinking about which faith was the right one. Obviously I could simply choose the one of my parents and the adults around me followed, but I went to a school with Muslims, Hindu and Buddhist children too. Was I really supposed to try and convert them? None of the Christian teache…

> From there concluding that religion is an entirely artificial social construct was a pretty small step.

I'd say religion is more an evolved phenomenon than a constructed one.

Religious groups tend to have more children than secular groups, which suggests religion confers an advantage to a group's evolutionary fitness.

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Ah, the No True Christian fallacy.

Who said anything about Christianity?

It was adapted for the situation from No True Scotsman, admittedly partially because I grew up Christian and have heard this sentiment before (a close relative of the pervasive Prosperity Gospel), but mainly because we are discussing spirituality. I am calling you a Christian in this instance no more than I would have been calling you a Scotsman with the traditional wording. Regardless, the fallacy would be there even if I did mistakenly pin you as a Christian.

Suffice it to say, I find it cruel and absurd to believe that someone suffering from depression must not really have a relationship with their god, and I urge you to reconsider your beliefs in this matter.

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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Atheist-ish - no spiritual practice of any kind. In terms of beliefs, I think there’s a tonne of massive, unanswered questions about the universe, and it’s certainly possible that there are forces out there that resemble spiritual concepts. Something vaguely resembling a soul, or an intelligent life that created the universe, that sort of thing. Or not - I have no real opinion on this other than “nobody knows”. I do…

> In terms of beliefs, I think there’s a tonne of massive, unanswered questions about the universe, and it’s certainly possible that there are forces out there that resemble spiritual concepts. Something vaguely resembling a soul, or an intelligent life that created the universe, that sort of thing. Or not - I have no real opinion on this other than “nobody knows”.

I'd tend to agree that nobody knows for certainty all truths of the universe, but there are well-documented processes like insight meditation that lead to certain altered states of consciousness (jhanas/dhyana & samadhi), that some people call knowledge/experience of the Soul or God. While you might disagree with the interpretation of these experiences as the 'Soul' 'God', the experiences are concrete enough to light up the brain in a brain scan.

> I do think that all popular religions on earth were created by people, though.

They were, but they were based on people who had real experiences of god or the spirit or what have you. Swami Vivekananda said it better than I can in Raja Yoga (1896):

> Religion, as it is generally taught all over the world, is said to be based upon faith and belief, and, in most cases, consists only of different sets of theories, and that is the reason why we find all religions quarrelling with one another. These theories, again, are based upon belief. One man says there is a great Being sitting above the clouds and governing the whole universe, and he asks me to believe that solely on the authority of his assertion. In the same way, I may have my own ideas, which I am asking others to believe, and if they ask a reason, I cannot give them any. This is why religion and metaphysical philosophy have a bad name nowadays. Every educated man seems to say, "Oh, these religions are only bundles of theories without any standard to judge them by, each man preaching his own pet ideas." Nevertheless, there is a basis of universal belief in religion, governing all the different theories and all the varying ideas of different sects in different countries. Going to their basis we find that they also are based upon universal experiences. [...]

> The teachers of the science of Yoga, therefore, declare that religion is not only based upon the experience of ancient times, but that no man can be religious until he has the same perceptions himself. Yoga is the science which teaches us how to get these perceptions. It is not much use to talk about religion until one has felt it. Why is there so much disturbance, so much fighting and quarrelling in the name of God? There has been more bloodshed in the name of God than for any other cause, because people never went to the fountain-head; they were content only to give a mental assent to the customs of their forefathers, and wanted others to do the same. What right has a man to say he has a soul if he does not feel it, or that there is a God if he does not see Him? If there is a God we must see Him, if there is a soul we must perceive it; otherwise it is better not to believe. It is better to be an outspoken atheist than a hypocrite. The modern idea, on the one hand, with the "learned" is that religion and metaphysics and all search after a Supreme Being are futile; on the other hand, with the semi-educated, the idea seems to be that these things really have no basis; their only value consists in the fact that they furnish strong motive powers for doing good to the world. If men believe in a God, they may become good, and moral, and so make good citizens. We cannot blame them for holding such ideas, seeing that all the teaching these men get is simply to believe in an eternal rigmarole of words, without any substance behind them.

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It might be fair but it's uninteresting and shows lack of self examination. The range of understanding of "spirituality" is so broad and personal nearly anything can theoretically fit into it. You have people in here talking about their coffee and music habits, but in a way that is interesting and engaging with the question rather than dismissing it. The fact that someone is so sure that they can't find anything like…

If you interpret "spirituality" this broadly then the word is useless. This is why you'll receive some dismissive answers. I drink espresso every morning. I challenge you to find a way to link that to this thread that isn't as useless as defining a synonym for the word "habit", or "preference", or similar. Reality doesn't have to be interesting, nor do the results of self-examination. As best I can tell I'm a biologi…

I don't personally interpret it that broadly, but I've been surprised and delighted by the range expressed in other comments today! So at least to me I can't really consider that broad definition useless, at least across a group of people.

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>Atheism is not spiritual and to conflate the two is foolish. Not necessarily, obviously, but there are spiritual atheists, and if OP asks "what are your spiritual practices" then "I have none" is a valid answer. >It is clear that atheism and consumerism in modern society do not make people happy. The least happy people I know are religious, and almost all the Atheists I know are pretty happy with their lives. I don'…

It is a contradiction. “Spirit”ual. You cannot be Spiritual without belief in Spirit. It is in the word itself. You can be a good Atheist however that is mostly in line with good spiritual practices. Atheists seem to want it both ways. To believe in nothing but also define themselves as “Spiritual”

In my experience it is an attempt to reclaim the word spiritual as it is a useful word for describing certain aspects of the human experience.

For example:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160818051131/https://www.samha...

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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100% atheism. Was raised some kind of protestant I forget which one, and derived tremendous spiritual and psychological relief when I realized all of that was absolute nonsense at the age of 9. I knew I was gay at the time and wouldn't come out until I was 18 or so, but my life just got a lot easier when I removed religion completely. I also recall discovering increased moral agency -- as a Christian I had been taugh…

"100% atheism" isn't a spiritual practice. It's just the absence of belief in the existence of gods.

A rock is 100% atheist, yet in all likelihood doesn't have spiritual practice.

You can have a spiritual practice under the umbrella of atheism, as long as it doesn't involve any kind of belief in gods. Whatever that practice is, that practice isn't identified with the atheism itself.

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Sarcasm. Being sarcastic adds nothing to the subject, it is avoidance of engagement.

If you want to discuss there is no need to hide behind a device like sarcasm. I am open to all engagement. I realize I am on a site which is mostly composed of atheists.

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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Spirit doesn't necessarily mean God.

It certainly doesnt mean believing in nothing.

One can “believe in nothing” and still have “spiritual” experiences, for example the experience of observing a beautiful sunset… or perhaps the feeling we get when acknowledging that we are made from stars and will one day return to them.

You can argue that this isn’t true spirituality, but I think the way neurons fire during it is the same way a spiritual person’s neurons fire when having their own moments.

Re: Ask HN: What is your spiritual practice?

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You might like this poem (from what I can find it is attributed to Bill Britton): When you are forgotten, or neglected, or purposely set at naught, and you don’t sting and hurt with the insult or the oversight, but your heart is happy, being counted worthy to suffer for Christ. THAT IS DYING TO SELF When your good is evil spoken of, when your wishes are crossed, your advice disregarded, your opinions ridiculed, and y…

It's so odd to me that since the dawn of time, humans find this innate need to live in slave morality. Living a life of moral slavery based on stories and tales previous humans made with their own minds. It's a definition of insanity, from my own perspective. To contribute to the discussion: I practice nothing, no religion, no meditations. Nothing. I find peace enough knowing that I'm not morally enslaved and that I…

You know, I think you can interpret Nietzsche's slave morality as the process to master morality. For example, the enlightenment was supposed to free society up from faith-thinking and introduce rational thinking, but (and he right criticizes it) it did not. I think the movement instead brought society out of older slave morality institutions into master morality and which are now considered slave morality again.

You also might enjoy this: http://blogs.law.columbia.edu/nietzsche1313/4-13/

EDIT: it's worth pointing out that Nietzsche also criticizing master morality too.

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