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Ubisoft deleted account with hundreds of dollars’ worth of games for inactivity

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Post by dtech »

_3u10 wrote: post #136
Hokusai wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really care too much about what the Terms and Services say It does not matter even if you care. You do not have negotiating power to change them. It is a 'my way or highway' situation. And the government should be involved, you alone cannot change the Terms of Service, but your country can create laws to protect you from thieves, whenever they steal physical or digital goods. If you don't like your governme…

Yes you do. I had a ToS with an anti competitive clause in it, no reselling, was told they needed to transfer all our customers, etc, or they and us could get fined for illegal reselling. Phoned their regulator, was told to register as a reseller, and call back if we still had issues. After the registration had been finalized we contacted our new wholesaler, all that came of it was being unable to add new accounts fo…

Of course you can alter the ToS, I'm sure Steam and the likes are open to contract negations before you buy a $70 game.

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Post by birracerveza »

Decentralized ownership and file storage using NFTs on low energy blockchains would solve this. But no, let's keep complaining about the same problems over and over while we keep chanting that crypto is evil and can't be used to solve said problems.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

endisneigh wrote: post #15

This article is a great example of why we need legislation around ownership of digital items. I generally hate getting the government involved in things, but if you're paying money for goods, there needs to be a way to be credited or receive your digital goods in a way that still works without your "account". Personally I always get kind of nervous around buying things on PSN, Xbox, Stadia, Steam, Oculus, etc. If the…

We should go in the complete opposite direction and abolish data ownership straight up. Copyright needs to end. The second it's gone it will no longer be a crime to copy and these problems will no longer exist.

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

pdonis wrote: post #73
wyattpeak wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For games? No, for money. These actions are always dismissed on the basis that they're not selling something important. But setting aside the question of whether that's valid, they are selling in exchange for something important.

> These actions are always dismissed on the basis that they're not selling something important. No, it's on the basis that the buyer knew the terms perfectly well before the sale, and bought the thing anyway . The fact that it's a game that was bought just makes it even more unreasonable for the buyer to want to retroactively change the terms of the sale.

How would this work in more "classical" software where I only get presented with the EULA after purchasing it, downloading it, and launching the installer? Money was already exchanged. How could any contract made after that be enforceable? Wouldn't that mean you're obligated to retroactively give away rights you aquired through the purchase minutes before?

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Post by matheusmoreira »

pdonis wrote: post #25
endisneigh wrote: post #15

This article is a great example of why we need legislation around ownership of digital items. I generally hate getting the government involved in things, but if you're paying money for goods, there needs to be a way to be credited or receive your digital goods in a way that still works without your "account". Personally I always get kind of nervous around buying things on PSN, Xbox, Stadia, Steam, Oculus, etc. If the…

If you can't be confident of your ownership of and access to what you buy, why do you buy it?

It must have been around 2006 when I registered my Steam account. I was just a kid back then. Didn't understand the fact the buy button was lying to me.

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Post by Aerroon »

Hokusai wrote: post #38
sefrost wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t feel any guilt about pirating the content I bought on any of those services if my account was taken from me for inactivity. I’d be interested to hear the argument about why that would be wrong though.

Because laws are not about justice. If you get something stolen you need to go to a judge to get a sentence that gives it back to you. You cannot take justice on your hands and expect to not be punished.

This is infeasible though as evidenced by how actual theft doesn't get handled by the legal system (police, prosecutors, and judges). Realistically the only way to get your stuff back is to take it back yourself or somehow force the police into action by doing the work for them.

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Post by moogly »

moistly wrote: post #148
endisneigh wrote: post #15

This article is a great example of why we need legislation around ownership of digital items. I generally hate getting the government involved in things, but if you're paying money for goods, there needs to be a way to be credited or receive your digital goods in a way that still works without your "account". Personally I always get kind of nervous around buying things on PSN, Xbox, Stadia, Steam, Oculus, etc. If the…

Wouldn’t mind the music I’ve purchased remaining mine, too.

That's why I only buy from Bandcamp and HDTracks.

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Post by simion314 »

endisneigh wrote: post #15

This article is a great example of why we need legislation around ownership of digital items. I generally hate getting the government involved in things, but if you're paying money for goods, there needs to be a way to be credited or receive your digital goods in a way that still works without your "account". Personally I always get kind of nervous around buying things on PSN, Xbox, Stadia, Steam, Oculus, etc. If the…

>Personally I always get kind of nervous around buying things on PSN

My PlayStation account was blocked for online games/chat for 2 months with no clear reason, this also wasted 2 months of PS Plus subscription sice I could not really benefit from it. They did not offer any way to dispute this or clarify what exactly was wrong to avoid it.

My son was using the console to play Fortnite, he told me that some guy blackmailed him to give him gifts or he will submit fake reports, I have no idea who checks this reports and if they have competent people that understand our native language or is all just some shit AI and some dude somewhere just confirming that the AI was wight.

This incident completely changed my sentiments on Sony consoles and on top their greedy pricing and for sure I will avoid them in future.

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Post by IshKebab »

birracerveza wrote: post #222

Decentralized ownership and file storage using NFTs on low energy blockchains would solve this. But no, let's keep complaining about the same problems over and over while we keep chanting that crypto is evil and can't be used to solve said problems.

You can't just say "blockchain" and magically solve it.
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