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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by katbyte »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #454
katbyte wrote: post #452

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am I? I don't think they are the same at all. I would take all the top" entires as entirely different on face value so what are you extrapolating from them that is similar? can you please concisely describe "woke" for us as it seems I am not the only one who is confused as to the meaning.

woke: - Deluded or fake awareness. - The act of being very pretentious about how much you care about a social issue From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woke

Which one is it? Or both? Is one still woke if you are only one of the two?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by iszomer »

pmontra wrote: post #187
marderfarker2 wrote: post #101

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I don’t think inanimate objects can influence a person’s mind. However media can, especially when you see the same idea repeated everywhere.

If you always buy from A instead of from B, whoever they are, you start enjoying a familiarity with A that you don't have with B. Then, not about minds but about money, you are helping A with your money instead of helping B and A eventually becomes more powerful than B.

Not willing to see it from a socialist angle.

r/BuyItForLife

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by throwawaylinux »

katbyte wrote: post #461
throwawaylinux wrote: post #454

Earlier quoted context omitted.

woke: - Deluded or fake awareness. - The act of being very pretentious about how much you care about a social issue From https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woke

Which one is it? Or both? Is one still woke if you are only one of the two?

Either/both. And yes one is if one is one.

Glad I could clear that up for you. Really the word is very common, my 60 year old friend used it the other day at her birthday. I've even seen the old dinosaur mainstream media corporations use it. It really isn't some outlandish word that's impossible to grasp.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by soueuls »

I personally never understood the issues, is there any human right abuses in China? Sure.

Each citizens is free to vote with their money and boycott whoever they want.

But I am surely not gonna blindly follow the US on this. China is lying about human right issues, but they are right about the fact that it’s indeed an American tactics to hurt them economically.

Who in their right mind would follow the US on this? We all remember Guantanamo, the fake mass destruction weapons by Powell and the thousands of innocent civilians killed during an illegitimate war.

I am definitely not siding against China on this. They are lying, they are probably torturing innocent Uighur but if I had to apply the exact same logic, I would be boycotting US products and services as well (I don’t)

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang »

rg111 wrote: post #331
dang wrote: post #305

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Flamewar comments will get you banned here. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

That was a genuinely genuine question. That was a serious question asked honestly. I am not a troll. Look at my past comment and post history.

Ok, I'm sorry—I probably overinterpreted it in the context of the surrounding flamewar.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by dang »

sharklazer wrote: post #338
dang wrote: post #293

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Posting this sort of hellish flamewar comment to HN will get you banned here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are, and regardless of which country you have a problem with. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting to HN, we'd appreciate it. You broke a ton of them here—seriously not cool.

Understood. I was going to delete it... then it got flagged. No excuse.

Appreciated!

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by yorwba »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #459
yorwba wrote: post #458

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> first source doesn't use the US as the major comparison point, "The typical American answer to problems: bombs and bullets." https://mobile.twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/146586396718... "China went a different path. They didn't fire a single bullet or threw a single bomb, instead they used books and jobs." https://mobile.twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/146586397002... Which is a lie, carelessly slandering the p…

> Interesting, I didn't think you'd even recognize my username. You are right here, in my haste I recognized you for someone else who has been attacking me a lot lately. I apologize. > The typical American answer to problems: bombs and bullets. The US is a secondary supporting point, not the main point, which is Afghanistan and its terrorism problem. > Which is a lie, carelessly slandering the policemen who valiantly…

> This is an oversimplification rather than a lie.

When you wrote in another subthread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29663197 that

> So no, I'm not a CCP supporter. What I am, is being tired of all the anti-China propaganda that's on the one hand merely biased and prejudiced misrepresentations, and on the other hand a deliberate manufacturing of consent for war. I am tired of my home being constantly misrepresented and villified.

I mistakenly assumed that you would be against oversimplification.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by BobbyJo »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #453
BobbyJo wrote: post #441

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What if I just 'kinda' want to know, for instance, in a comment thread?

Then I'll be brief. Check out this thread to get an idea: https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1465863939825221632 Check out Col Lawrence Wilkerson at the Ron Paul Institute, mark 22:20, on one of the reasons why the US was in Afghanistan (which borders Xinjiang): https://youtu.be/91wz5syVNZs?t=22m20s Check out Max Blumenthal, investigative journalist, on the quality of evidence surrounding Xinjiang: https://yout…

I took some time to read and watch the links and digest the info to respond:

1) I'm getting kind of conflicting signals from the sources. You promote the idea that these camps aren't what we know they are, the the third link, but the entirety of the your Twitter feed reads as a justification and comparison to the war in Afghanistan. I don't see how that would be an apt comparison unless these camps actually did exist, and actually did forcefully detain people (which means forced labor in China).

2) Let's assume they are forced re-education camps, since that's the least evil thing possible. You're comparison to Afghanistan as the 'The US uses bombs and bullets whereas China is doing things peacefully' is still bad. Afghanistan is a separate country without a government that we declared war on. The US generally follows strict rules of engagement, so it would be inaccurate to say we shot innocent people or killed them on purpose. The mission over there consisted much more of building infrastructure and public services than it did fighting. Xinjiang is within China's own borders, and benefits from already having a government and infrastructure, to a much larger degree than Afghanistan at least.

3) Let's ignore 2 and assume the US was evil in Afghanistan and China is doing everything as morally as possible in Xinjiang. Then why not let international inspection of the facilities? The UN was in Afghanistan, and oversaw a lot of our mission there. If it's the same in Xinjiang, but better, then why the secrecy?

4) People go along with the idea that evil things are happening in Xinjiang without much evidence because of two reasons: China has been caught doing everything claimed before already (organ harvesting, forced abortions, internment camps) and they don't just prove otherwise. Any international traveller can come to the US and visit any hospital, any prison (provided they are journalists at least) and any prisoner here has the freedom of expression to say anything they want to anyone they want. That isn't the case in China. Of course there is a lack of evidence of what's going on their now. That's China's MO.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by FooBarWidget »

yorwba wrote: post #467
FooBarWidget wrote: post #459

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> Interesting, I didn't think you'd even recognize my username. You are right here, in my haste I recognized you for someone else who has been attacking me a lot lately. I apologize. > The typical American answer to problems: bombs and bullets. The US is a secondary supporting point, not the main point, which is Afghanistan and its terrorism problem. > Which is a lie, carelessly slandering the policemen who valiantly…

> This is an oversimplification rather than a lie. When you wrote in another subthread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29663197 that > So no, I'm not a CCP supporter. What I am, is being tired of all the anti-China propaganda that's on the one hand merely biased and prejudiced misrepresentations, and on the other hand a deliberate manufacturing of consent for war. I am tired of my home being constantly misrepres…

Hey I did try to invite him to talk to me in private where I can explain a complex situation more thoroughly. But if one is only "kinda interested, but not very interested" and wants a quick summary in an HN post then one has to be contend with oversimplifications.

I understand why you criticize me, but rather than criticism I'd like to hear solutions. I had a conversation with my contact from Xinjiang yesterday (who regularly talks to westerners to explain the situation) and he told me how basically nobody in the west is interested in the complex truth; everybody wants simplifications. Which really limits the explanations he can give.

So, what is your solution? If you have a link to a better summary that you believe is

1. more accurate,

2. able to explain things from a westerner's perspective and able to provide the paradigm changes needed for proper understanding,

3. yet short enough to satisfy readers that are only casually interested,

then I'm all ears and I'll consider recommending your source next time.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by ospider »

winrid wrote: post #426
ashwagary wrote: post #413

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Many of these large companies dont believe the claims of human rights violations in Xinjiang because the research is shoddy and funded by problematic orgs that have massive ulterior motives (mostly winning large defense contracts) . Some of you are just as confident of what is going on in Xinjiang, with 0 evidence, as you were of Iraq's WMDs it seems. Ask yourself how much you really know.

As someone that's been there, I agree with this sentiment. I also happen to know people with cotton farms there, I even know how much they make, and nobody around is using slave labor. (and no I do not support / happy with the CCP - this is just what I've seen/experienced)

If there are anyone who do care about Chinese workers, pleas stop using TikTok, because programmers in ByteDance are really the one working around the clock like slaves. Just check out the 996.icu project, which ranks as #1 on GitHub.
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