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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by csense »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #295
bogwog wrote: post #148

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How could Intel help improve the forced labor situation in Xinjiang? That’s an extremely sensitive political issue which money won’t solve.

If every major company benefitting from China got together and made demands I wouldn’t be surprised if Chinas hand is forced.

Any facility or employee on Chinese soil is a potential hostage of the Chinese government. "China's hand is forced" == your factories get nationalized and your employees' families get imprisoned or worse.

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Post by dang »

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #119
xwolfi wrote: post #29

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If we can't employ Xinjian people anymore, what do you propose we do with them ?

"Do with them" ? That's a truly chilling way to speak of people .

Obviously the parent was being rhetorical. Please don't take HN threads further into generic flamewar. It's precisely the hell we want to avoid here.

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Post by dang »

xwolfi wrote: post #29
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

If we can't employ Xinjian people anymore, what do you propose we do with them ?

Please don't take HN threads further into generic flamewar. It's precisely the hell we want to avoid here.

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splitstud wrote: post #260
rg111 wrote: post #17

China has got a massive consumer market, an unmatched manufacturing ecosystem with zero labor disputes among other things, minerals, arguably the most stable (in terms of violence, unrest, strikes, etc.) regions in the world, and more. They have got anyone by their balls who remotely wants to sell anything in China. John Cena (famous wrestler, entertainer) recently apologized to Chinese people after calling Taiwan a…

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rg111 wrote: post #279
splitstud wrote: post #260

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dang wrote: post #282
jedimind wrote: post #72

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Post by xiphias2 »

joshuajill wrote: post #246
bogwog wrote: post #148

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How could Intel help improve the forced labor situation in Xinjiang? That’s an extremely sensitive political issue which money won’t solve.

For once they could try . They can have rules for their suppliers and factories, and enforce those. Other companies do. Even a tiny company like FairPhone does. But no, they chose for decades the cheap labor, and now they turn around and say "no more" just to defend their reputation. In any case, apparently their apologies to China will not stop them from moving away from Xinjiang working, even if just for show.

Why do you write ,,even''? You are talking about a product where the main feature is fairness. I'm sure it misses some features that non-fair phones have in return. It's all about what the customer cares about.

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Post by formerly_proven »

dnautics wrote: post #296
Symbiote wrote: post #92

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I think AMD has less (possibly much less) in China than Intel. I spent about €200,000 on AMD servers last year. They are performing better than Intel ones would have done at the same price, so it was a very easy decision.

isn't this exactly the opposite? IIRC there was a situation where a large-ish? AMD subdivision in china was nationalized and made off with a considerable amount of AMD IP

You're probably thinking about ARM, whose Chinese branch unilaterally declared independency from the crown some time ago.

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Post by foobiekr »

bogwog wrote: post #148
joshuajill wrote: post #76

Interestingly, small companies like FairPhone work to improve their suppliers' labor conditions. Intel of all the companies is in a position to do the same or more. However they choose to whitewash their brand by blaming the chinese government of their lack of care. Their hypocrisy backfired, and they let China win on all counts. Ironically they ended up helping whitewash the chinese government.

How could Intel help improve the forced labor situation in Xinjiang? That’s an extremely sensitive political issue which money won’t solve.

Pretty much every problem in China can be solved with the right economic incentives.

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Post by formerly_proven »

kerneloftruth wrote: post #222
themitigating wrote: post #145

Karry Wang said he would no longer serve as brand ambassador for Intel, adding in a statement that "national interests exceed everything". Everything?

Yes, that's the mentality. And, by "national interests", they mean "CCP interests" -- there's no distinction between "the party" and the nation.

The civilization is the nation is the party.
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