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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by ipaddr »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #269
DarylZero wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean to say "we must respect the law"? Banksy demonstrates that this is not true. You only need to avoid law enforcement. It seems to me, of course I have no way of knowing, but it SEEMS to me that you are NOT EVEN AWARE that you're not making arguments.

Most cities in my country have multiple street cameras on every corner. Good luck "avoiding the law" here.

Most cities have mask requirements and many cities like SF won't even followup on these types of crimes. The more cameras exist on street corners the less likely the police will get involved.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by bearbin »

beloch wrote: post #335

It's interesting how the author of this piece uses "badverts" and "badvertisers" because it implies that there are "goodverts" and "goodvertisers" in the settings he's speaking of.

As the author, yes. Some parts of the city are innately commercial spaces, and commerce requires advertising. But let it stop at colourful shop signs (even neon is fine, in a shopping centre!), signwritten vans for trades and deliveries, or the circus' sign on the fence of the public park. The badverts are the billboards covering up entire buildings; the LED pedestals that block your way as you walk and distract drivers; and the incessant advertising for unethical investment companies on public transport.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by [deleted] »

berkes wrote: post #211
blackhaz wrote: post #187

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Fuck that indeed. Very strong message here, and I love it. I wish I could take all those ads and shove them into their asses. But what is being suggested here? What's mine to take? If I see an ad, can I reuse the artwork? No. If I see a car, I can't just copy it's design. Can I just paint over it, or rip it apart? No, that would be vandalism. As much as I hate ads, THEY have re-arranged the world by paying for it in…

You shouldn't do it publicly and with your name and face with it. You aren't legally allowed to. But that is far away from "can't". Hardly anyone is going to stop you from drawing a moustache on a poster or from stickering a snarky remark over an ad or from spray painting your opinion about some advertised product on said ad.

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Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by ignoramous »

throwawaycities wrote: post #261
ignoramous wrote: post #181

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> I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executives’ front doors, cars, garages, offices with giant billboards or vending machines. Interesting. I don't think one can legitimise just about anything with DAOs. But DAOs do represent a form of group think, an in-group, a collective, so that's there too. I wonder if GreenPeace / Amnesty / XR / Anti-FA et al have e…

Well crowdfunding makes sense, but as a DAO members could use the token to apply their own adverts on the billboards attached to the scooter executives’ houses, cars and offices. Not sure what type of utility those non-profits could build into a token. Still I’m not opposed to it being a traditional non-profit, it might be possible to obtain 501(c)(3) tax exemption as a charity under the purpose of “combating communi…

> ...as a DAO, members could use the token to apply their own adverts on the billboards

Ah, gotcha. That's an interesting take. A DAO to govern "retail" activist investors / lobby-groups / think-tank, if you will.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by ipaddr »

Symbiote wrote: post #210
throwawaycities wrote: post #163

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Seems like perfectly curated marketing. But I do admit I am outraged when a row of stupid fucking scooters blocks my entire running path, when it’s clearly a location no one would ever rent a scooter, rather they are there to deliberately block the path for no other purpose than obnoxious exposure of their brand. I’d love for there to be DAOs to combat those scooter companies, say for example by blocking the executiv…

Copenhagen residents became sufficiently outraged that hire scooters were banned from the city centre. https://1www.eltis.org/in-brief/news/e-scooters-allowed-back...

Not really. This 3 year pilothas many restrictions like you can only be parked in one of 240 designated areas. You can't rent in the city core.

This is about balancing normal scooter uses advertising

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by boomlinde »

Aerroon wrote: post #267
boomlinde wrote: post #172

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> But ads in real life do not prevent me from going on about my day. If I run around you all day shouting expletives at you, you might consider that there's nothing that I do that fundamentally gets in your way for as long as I keep a certain distance. But it will be annoying, exhausting and likely detrimental to your mental health in the long term. There's nothing inherently offensive about advertisement, IMO. Displ…

> If I run around you all day shouting expletives at you, you might consider that there's nothing that I do that fundamentally gets in your way for as long as I keep a certain distance. But it will be annoying, exhausting and likely detrimental to your mental health in the long term. But that's different. Ads in real life are passive. They are part of the environment like the color of the house. They don't actively i…

> But that's different. Ads in real life are passive. They are part of the environment like the color of the house.

So let's say that the "color of my house" is obscene and disturbing imagery designed specifically to elicit an emotional response in viewers for the sake of making them feel bad. Point still stands; you don't have to actively get in someone's way to be a nuisance that's detrimental to the quality of life and leaves people worse off than without it.

It's also worth mentioning that advertisement overwhelmingly refers to its targets in second person exactly to create the subtle illusion of addressing you specifically. To some small degree our brains probably don't recognize the difference.

> And the vast majority of people will never ever check that to find relevant things to them.

If I'm not actively looking for things that will improve my life, perhaps I am already content with my situation, and the things in question actually aren't that relevant to me.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by hermes8329 »

5e92cb50239222b wrote: post #269
DarylZero wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean to say "we must respect the law"? Banksy demonstrates that this is not true. You only need to avoid law enforcement. It seems to me, of course I have no way of knowing, but it SEEMS to me that you are NOT EVEN AWARE that you're not making arguments.

Most cities in my country have multiple street cameras on every corner. Good luck "avoiding the law" here.

How do those camera work at night with a peep wearing a ski mask? Or even an IR hat

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by boneitis »

ouid wrote: post #346
blackhaz wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck that indeed. Very strong message here, and I love it. I wish I could take all those ads and shove them into their asses. But what is being suggested here? What's mine to take? If I see an ad, can I reuse the artwork? No. If I see a car, I can't just copy it's design. Can I just paint over it, or rip it apart? No, that would be vandalism. As much as I hate ads, THEY have re-arranged the world by paying for it in…

Banksy is talking about moral right, not legal right. This is obvious unless you're being intentionally dense. He is saying that you have cosmic permission to perform acts of vandalism to advertisements. As long as you don't get caught, you're alright with your chosen deity or whatever. It's a pretty strong philosophical argument in that direction, in my opinion. If you're disagreeing with that point, you should be e…

> moral right, not legal right

Thank you, this pretty neatly covers what I would have liked to add but couldn't find words for.

I find it pleasing to approach his approach as works and displays of art. Are they explicit calls to aggressive, rebellious arms? Maybe. Is he selling out from commercializing on his art? Perhaps. I don't really care to respond directly to either of those questions here.

Mainly want to give a shoutout to his Barcode stencil, which made a really big impression on me so far (I haven't finished the Banksy book that I found it in) and that I think is pretty fitting here. Looking around on the web, it seems there are variants, but the one with the leopard is great.

Re: You block ads in your browser, why not in your city?

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Post by geraldyo »

bennysomething wrote: post #348

Fuck my city deciding what adverts I see. That's called censorship. Want something like that check out drab soviet era cities were advertising was banned. Banksy certainly seems to have thin skin if he gets hurt feelings over adverts. Fuck that too, I'm responsible for my own feelings.

Look into the city of São Paulo, Brazil, before and after banning billboard ads before drawing an example from the USSR
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