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Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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Here’s a great book that has lots of valuable insights: https://leanpub.com/freelancedeveloperbook It’s geared to freelancers but honestly it talks about a lot of soft skills that are probably equally as important as technical skills when it comes to self employment or when talking with clients.

Hey! It says "This book is no longer available for sale.". Do you know of any other ways to get the book?

Hi - author here. I retired the book during the pandemic but am planning to update and unretire it soon. I can't do that now because I'm away with my kids.

If you want me to ping you when it's back, drop me a line using 8qwt95ckm@mozmail.com

(That's an aliased address using relay.firefox.com BTW)

Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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The best advice i've ever had for this is to just turn it around, and imagine you are hiring someone to build stuff for you - how would you want an ideal candidate to behave? Now work hard at making yourself that ideal candidate.

The second most useful advice is to consider the power dynamics in your relationship, as it is not always the direction you expect. The best long term relationships work when the client and the contractor have as much to gain from the success of the project as each other.

And best of luck with your new venture. Exciting times!

Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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Forget about books, podcasts, videos, etc. If you are joining a company where they are putting you in a client facing role, you will learn by doing, watching your colleagues, and making mistakes.

I've worked in different client facing role at Software companies for over a decade. There's a huge spectrum of people on both sides who succeed in client facing roles. Introverts, Extroverts, talkers, quiet people, people who lie about everything, people who can't keep their mouth shut and always say what they perceive is the truth, people who are easy-going and friendly, people who seem to have no ability to talk about anything apart from work and tech topics, etc. There's a lot of variance from company to company as well.

IME any "educational" material will paint an overly narrow view of the type of personality who can have successful client interactions. It may only further derail your confidence about being successful in this regarfds.

If you do get a client facing job, watch and learn from your peers. Make mistakes and learn from them. It'll take time to be comfortable, maybe a year or more. Eventually you'll be fine.

Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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I've learned the most working with account managers/account directors at an agency, especially more experienced ones. Out the top of my head, things you should keep in mind: - It's a relationship like any other, and you earn each other trust through your interactions over time. So you need to be extremely reliable and responsive if you want to be perceived as trust worthy; - If something bad happened, be transparent…

I disagree with a lot of this. However, I do value your comments and I'm glad you wrote them. This is just another perspective.

> - It's a relationship like any other, and you earn each other trust through your interactions over time. So you need to be extremely reliable and responsive if you want to be perceived as trust worthy;

Trust does develop over time. But it's not something to worry about. It's something that happens naturally. Being reasonably reliable is important but set reasonable expectations.

> - If something bad happened, be transparent and the sooner you say it the better. It's extremely uncomfortable, and you'll try to delay it because you don't want to say shit happened, even if it wasn't your fault.

It shouldn't be uncomfortable to be honest with people about what's happening. If you are uncomfortable then there's likely a power imbalance. You don't have enough clients so you are worried about making one client unhappy.

> - Never bring up a problem without a solution, or a potential solution, or a recommendation for a solution. No one wants problems, we all have plenty of those. Even if it's something out of your control, you should always spin a solution for it.

I think the real issue here is that clients want people who are able to exude the confidence that they can solve problems. I see no problem outlining a bunch of problems that need to be solved to a client.

> - Always reply, never leave someone hanging;

Agreed. But I read a sense of urgency here. No need to reply immediately.

The missing piece here is that your skills are in such high demand that you don't need to act like a servant to your clients. If there is mutual respect you will get paid a lot more. Since you are new to this it will take time for you to appreciate this.

Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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Hey! It says "This book is no longer available for sale.". Do you know of any other ways to get the book?

Hi - author here. I retired the book during the pandemic but am planning to update and unretire it soon. I can't do that now because I'm away with my kids. If you want me to ping you when it's back, drop me a line using 8qwt95ckm@mozmail.com (That's an aliased address using relay.firefox.com BTW)

Steve - oh, this got me curious, if there is any ongoing support of the published book that led you to retiring it.

I will drop a line - this does not, however, put any social responsibility into you, feel free to ignore :-)

Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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I've learned the most working with account managers/account directors at an agency, especially more experienced ones. Out the top of my head, things you should keep in mind: - It's a relationship like any other, and you earn each other trust through your interactions over time. So you need to be extremely reliable and responsive if you want to be perceived as trust worthy; - If something bad happened, be transparent…

I disagree with a lot of this. However, I do value your comments and I'm glad you wrote them. This is just another perspective. > - It's a relationship like any other, and you earn each other trust through your interactions over time. So you need to be extremely reliable and responsive if you want to be perceived as trust worthy; Trust does develop over time. But it's not something to worry about. It's something that…

>The missing piece here is that your skills are in such high demand that you don't need to act like a servant to your clients.

I think you said it all here.

I'm talking in a broad sense, that can be applied to any service with high or low demand, in terms of providing good customer service when you're starting out.

You're talking about power imbalances that allow you to provide - arguably - subpar customer service just because they don't have much choice due to high demand.

If demand increases they'll jump ship.

I'm saying this because you reminded me of some friends that do consulting for some big accounting systems, bragging that they lock clients under their contracts and software, only to leave them with crap customer support because the cost to change provider is too high - those clients are hostages basically.

Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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I have been a software consultant for 8 years now so I have a bit of experience to back up my suggestion. Talking to clients did not come easy for me and takes practice just like any other skill. You will learn from experience but I wish I read the book Trusted Advisor by David Maister earlier in my career.

The key is to have empathy and remember one golden rule: It is never about you, make it always about them.

Re: How can I learn to work with clients well?

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A key thing I don't see mentioned yet is the importance of disengaging (or not engaging in the first place) with clients who are not a good fit for you. The problem is you often don't know at first what attributes to look for. It's very important to forecast what your business will look like in, say, five years, and then try to attract from the start only those clients that fit the model. Yes, this is hard if you really need income right now.

Sorry, I don't know any books or other resources regarding this topic.

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