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Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by 01100011 »

Nbox9 wrote: post #110
stevehiehn wrote: post #105

Hmm, I worry about the doses listed. 1.6g of potent caps will get you right fucked. If you haven't done them before and are planning on having a couple drinks and socializing etc I recommend no more than 0.5g (for at least 1.5hrs) then re-access from there.

Different mushroom species have different quantities of active ingredients. Describing the dry weight of a mushroom is really only a secondary measurement of the active ingredients. Elsewhere on the website they compare 2.4g of mushrooms to about 100ug of LSD. So 1.7g of mushrooms would be equivalent of about 45ug of LSD, and the micro dose range of LSD is 5-25ug. Tripsafe is attempting to describe a light dose, whic…

Storage is also a big variable. Keeping them in an oxygen free environment seems to help.

IIRC, the amount of psilocybin in a mushroom is sort of fixed at a certain stage of its growth, so picking them when they're larger can just diminish their strength by weight and mess up what you think is the dose. As with most drugs, I find batching them together, say by grinding them all up in the case of mushrooms, and then taking small doses to calibrate the batch strength, is the safest way to go.

I usually recommend taking your mushrooms and blending them up in, say, OJ, then pouring them into ice cube trays and freezing them. They keep quite a long time that way and it's pretty convenient.

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by 01100011 »

antjanus wrote: post #116
stevehiehn wrote: post #105

Hmm, I worry about the doses listed. 1.6g of potent caps will get you right fucked. If you haven't done them before and are planning on having a couple drinks and socializing etc I recommend no more than 0.5g (for at least 1.5hrs) then re-access from there.

I've done 4-5g several times before, I guess it affects everyone differently?

It definitely does. 4-5g is our standard dose now. I used to think 1-2g was intense. A big variable is whether or not you're combining them with anything else. I find smoking pot sends things into overdrive and results in hallucinations which are difficult to separate from reality when doing 5g. By itself, 5g is a nice trip(although I can temporarily lose my language functions sometimes, which is kind of interesting).

To add to this, my partner does 5g and it's more or less a fun and intoxicating experience with no visuals at all. 5g for me is intensely visual. YMMV.

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by 01100011 »

c54 wrote: post #25
tyingq wrote: post #14

Never did any type of psychedelics. You don't read much about "death by misadventure" associated with them though. I'm curious about this. Alcohol, for example, is pretty famous for clouding judgement, reducing inhibition, and so on. Such that otherwise rational people drive intoxicated, get into fights, fall asleep in inappropriate places, fall off of and into things, etc. Psychedelics obviously cause you to halluci…

The hallucination affected by psychedelics such as mushrooms isn't what you might expect. It's not a fully synthetic kind of "i now see an object that is not actually there". There won't be a floating pink elephant in the middle of the room. Instead the effect at most normal doses (3.5g) is more that the walls and floors seem to take on a slightly ephemeral breathing characteristic. You may see patterns in things of…

> It's not a fully synthetic kind of "i now see an object that is not actually there"

This was generally my experience until I combined high dose(5g relatively fresh) mushrooms with pot. I've had a number of experiences on that combination where I experience vivid hallucinations which are indistinguishable from reality. It's rather uncomfortable at times because of that.

On mushrooms alone, up to the 5 or so grams which is my current maximum, I would classify the hallucinations as colorful visuals combined with intense daydreams.

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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colordrops wrote: post #55
meepmorp wrote: post #43

I feel like I'm alone in this, but I don't like mushrooms. I usually have unpleasant body effects, and I don't like the trip generally. I'm fairly confident in my ability to have dosed as responsibly as possible with a biological product. Usually, though, I just feel weird and uncomfortable for 10. LSD, by comparison, is positively therapeutic for me.

My experience is that LSD, when good, is great, but when bad, can be disastrous. Mushrooms, while not as crisp and euphoric as LSD, don't seem to ever leave me scarred, even with large doses. I'll be laughing about a bad trip on mushrooms after I come down, but will be left unable to function in society for 6 months after a bad trip on LSD.

Yeah I think for some folks the dopamine kick of LSD is akin to combining meth with mushrooms. It can be very edgy and electric, with more paranoia and a harsher come down. Mushrooms have always just worked for me. Then again I don't mind the body load(i.e. feeling like I need to take a shit for 6 hours, mild stomach unease, fatigue). I've had some good times on LSD, but it leaves me raw after, sometimes for months. I've done high dose shrooms every week or so for extended periods and while I get a little scatterbrained after a while I don't feel like I'm going insane.

To each their own.

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by 01100011 »

metroholografix wrote: post #127
acchow wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully agree. Bad LSD trip changes your life dramatically. Bad shroom trip (example took way too much and end up in a never ending panic of “will this ever end?!”) has no long term negative effects. I also feel instantly better, smarter, happier, etc for weeks after shrooms. Don’t feel that all on LSD.

I don't like it when folks generalize from a few subjective experiences. Mushrooms and LSD are powerful catalysts and one can never be sure of what one will experience. Even McKenna had a bad trip on psilocybin that nearly broke him: "Terence’s pivotal, existential crisis came abruptly, some time in ’88 or ’89. Everything that happened after that event was fallout. I don’t know exactly when it happened, and I don’t k…

That's about a decade before he was diagnosed with glioblastoma. It wouldn't be surprising if he already had an astrocytoma at that point, but was unaware of the subtle effects which his brain was beginning to compensate for.

That's the bitch about a brain tumor. Your mind is really good at working around it, until it isn't, and then you can't see straight or some other symptom which appears suddenly.

I don't mean to completely diminish your point. Psychedelics can hit you in unpredictable ways, even when you have experience.

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by 01100011 »

gavinray wrote: post #89
RikNieu wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of immediate and long-term side effects did you have, if I may ask? And what happened during the experience?

I've written in-depth about that particular experience before on here, if you're interested here are the post links: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22991744 (See chain of replies too) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22993060 Short-term side effects were acute + severe panic attacks, triggered by flashbacks and feeling as though I was physically back in the same situation/it was starting to happen again. Ev…

Interesting. When I was 15.5 I took a couple tabs of what I thought were LSD. Given the extended duration, it was probably a research chemical, but it was on blotter(NBOMe? it was 1991) so it was a potent one. My friend took 5 tabs and started throwing up, which we never experienced with LSD. After nearly 24 hours of tripping I was left with years of panic attacks and HPPD. Walls breathing, textures enhanced, increased visual snow, etc. It probably cut my reading speed in half between the difficulty of looking at black text on a white background in addition to the slightly disorganized thinking. It faded away after a decade or two. I think I still notice it if I look for it, but I try not to. I was absolutely convinced someone would try to dose me again without my consent after that. For years I double checked everything I consumed out of the irrational fear that someone injected LSD into the package(friends of mine joked about doing this, which probably started the worry).

I've used psychedelics since then(although much, much later in life). Nothing ever like it since.

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by mam4 »

mistermann wrote: post #129
mam4 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. But for a "one time" or "very small number of times". I was mostly referring to falling into an habit to numb the pain

> But for a "one time" or "very small number of times". Is this based on personal experience, clinical studies, something else?

Mostly that all addicts w/ physical damages i know started using heavily to cope to some pain (heartbreak / mourning / loss of proffessional direction).

Substances can help to realize stuff, but long term (1+year) regular using is never in my layman opinion

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by 01100011 »

shroomer wrote: post #11

I did 2g of dried shrooms about a week ago, having almost no prior experience. It was fun - I was seeing funny things, my friends looked funny, I laughed a lot, was a lot more talkative and social. My only issue was a tension headache which started about when the first effects came on and was even worse the day after, lashing until about 24 hours after the mushrooms were taken. My friends did not get the headache. Ot…

It's not a tension headache. Serotonin affects bloodflow in your brain, which is why many migraine drugs target its receptors. The headache is a known effect, although I never in all of my drug fueled years on earth heard of it until I started experiencing it myself after 5g+ shroom trips. Usually it hits us the day after and no amount of water, neti pots, magnesium, etc will help.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3345296/

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by hackingforfun »

toastercat wrote: post #41

This is a great resource to anyone interested in psychedelics in general. I've only done psychedelics twice in my lifetime, both with the same friend, and both times NOT in ideal scenarios (because we were both tripping without a sober person trip-sitting us). I would like to warn anyone interested that *tripping is risky if you suffer from high anxiety or OCD*. My first trip was an incredible experience, I couldn't…

Do you ever feel that way normally?

I've felt it a bunch of times, but I've worked through it with meditation (without drugs)...

I think psychedelics just bring out deeper parts of the mind. I don't do them anymore, but I used to, so I have some experience. I'm not a teetotaler, I still drink alcohol and smoke weed sometimes, but I'm done with psychedelics for the time being.

Re: Shrooms: What You Need to Know

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Post by michaelbarton »

crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #15
shroomer wrote: post #11

I did 2g of dried shrooms about a week ago, having almost no prior experience. It was fun - I was seeing funny things, my friends looked funny, I laughed a lot, was a lot more talkative and social. My only issue was a tension headache which started about when the first effects came on and was even worse the day after, lashing until about 24 hours after the mushrooms were taken. My friends did not get the headache. Ot…

I ate 8g of dried shrooms a few days ago. Once things really got going, I spent the time mostly in the dark at home focusing on whatever came to me. The intentions I set were for ego death of some kind. Much of it was spent grieving childhood trauma and the state of the world, most of which was done while singing, snorting, making other mouth noises, laughing, crying, or some combination of those. Yesterday, I realiz…

That’s a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing. I wish you and your partner a lovely Christmas and the best of luck for your future together.
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