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Turkey's Financial Crisis

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Re: Turkey's Financial Crisis

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I would feel extremely comfortable banning those head coverings from all universities, if not all public venues. Religious vestment simply has no place outside of ritual occasions. But then again, I'm from the country Atatürk took after. From our point of view, allowing religion to exist is treating it with tolerance. Acknowledging religion as something that deserves any sort of deference by the State isn't acceptabl…

Allowing people to dress how they please is hardly deference.

There are no countries that allow people to dress how they please. There is no way that the state letting people walk around, say, naked, in the univeristies they operate _wouldn't_ be considered as deferring to the views of a particular nudist subculture.

The state in question has "not showing this kind of deference toward religions" as one of its founding principles: in fact, as founding principle number one. It states that certain personal lifestyle choices, such as religion, do not belong the public sphere. In the public sphere each individual should appear as a simple citizen, and not seek to distinguish thenselves from other citizens along religious lines.

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#183
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Well. 7% inflation is not insane. Look at it over the last 5 years. Average inflation is not crazy.

7% should considered unacceptable. It is great for those with hard assets, it is TERRIBLE for the working poor. Funny how many of the same people that claim to want to help the poor (democrats) have no problem with high inflation Inflation is great for people in massive debt, or hold assets, and the rich Inflation is terrible for savers, responsible people living with in their means, poor that pay cash for everything…

Inflation is a mixed bag, you can't make blanket statements about it at all. The only thing that is always bad for working people is an excessively high real interest rate as interest can only be paid through doing actual work. Companies pass their interest payments onto consumer prices meaning the top 10% are the only net recipients of interest.

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Turkey is at least as much at fault as Saudi Arabia. They literally straight up pay salaries to wahabbi terrorists. The US also financed a lot of them.

> They literally straight up pay salaries to wahabbi terrorists Really? I did not know that. Have you a source?

I do :

> The Turkey-backed FSA's wages are paid for by the Turkish government, they operate alongside the Turkish Armed Forces

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_National_Army

As for their terrorist proclivities:. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/14/turkish-backed-forces-f...

To be fair though, they basically took over the CIA operations.

Re: Turkey's Financial Crisis

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post #181
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This is why you always hold real assets. And, no, crypto is not real.

Hopefully crypto will become more real in the future and offer a way out of the corrupt usurious fiat system.

Crypto ala Bitcoin is built on the same usurious model but worse. The only solution is negative interest on cash.

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post #175

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Turkey is at least as much at fault as Saudi Arabia. They literally straight up pay salaries to wahabbi terrorists. The US also financed a lot of them.

Until Trump appeared on the scene. You missed that out.

Actually, it continued for two years at least into the Trump presidency, see Operation Timber Sycamore.

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> I would feel extremely comfortable banning those head coverings from all universities, if not all public venues...From our point of view, allowing religion to exist is treating it with tolerance. If saying "either stop adhering to your religion or you cannot go to university/exist in public" is tolerance, what is intolerance? Is everything short of prison, internment camps, torture, and execution tolerance in your…

The assumption that asking for the removal of what is essentially discriminatory somptuary laws amounts to asking for apostasy is your own. Internal religious regulations have no bearing on the law and whether or not they're essential to religious practice is of no consequence to civil society. Keep in mind I'm referring to a system where universities are public institutions, emanations of the State, rather than priv…

This kind of nationalism is way more "religious" than wanting to wear a headscarf. Between one person who wants to dress in a certain way and another person who wants to control how a large number of other people dress because they perceive it as a threat to their ideology, who is more extreme?

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Tell it to this girl [1], or this [2] girl. You won't be able to tell it to this [3] girl, because she killed herself, rather than submitting to this barbarity. If you have some anecdotal example of a person who does this willingly (likely because of systemic multigenerational indoctrination), it does not prove that many other women are not willing to submit to this requirement, yet, are powerless to resist it withou…

Because you can come up with people being psychotic monsters, it does not mean people are psychotic monsters. There are a lot of barbaric things that go on in families all over the world in all sorts of families. What exactly is your point?

The point is that wearing hijab is coercion. It is not a 'free choice'. Nobody chooses to be a sub-human, unless forced or brain-washed since early childhood.

Re: Turkey's Financial Crisis

#189
post #109

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Why did you use the word “propaganda”? Why not “education”? Regardless of the time period, I would simply propose focusing on educating current and future generations that men and women have equal rights. If you dig into history a bit, you’ll find that state-sponsored persecution - ethnic, religious, or otherwise - is almost always guaranteed to backfire in the long run.

Because I dislike euphemisms. Is it any less propaganda just because you agree with it? Educating people of what? "Gender equality is good" is a normative statement. And nitpicking aside, my point stands entirely, whether it's "propaganda" or "education".

Fair enough.

I definitely simplified things a bit, but you can educate people on how to conduct themselves over the long term through various mechanisms. Many countries used this approach effectively to solve actual societal issues; however, the hijab is not a societal issue in and of itself.

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