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Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by Consultant32452 »

phonypc wrote: post #133
Consultant32452 wrote: post #115

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85% of VAERS reports are made by physicians. 100% are validated by the CDC. What’s important is to disqualify the best information available so you just have to accept vague assertions from authority.

VAERS is not the best information available by any means, but it is indeed a valid source of information. The issue with the paper is that it misuses the information and draws conclusions that aren't actually indicated.

What other dataset are you using to inform yourself about vaccine related harm in the public?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by pilsetnieks »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #48
wiseowise wrote: post #41

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But hey, grandma gets to live another year now. Who cares if the poor family never recovers after financial crisis.

Now inverse that statement and see where it takes you, and what it tells about you as a human being.

Downvoters: you want your elders (and not just them) to die and countless others to suffer long-term consequences of a disease not yet fully understood just to earn some money right now and keep the endless rat race going as it is; you make me sick.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by kyruzic »

ceejayoz wrote: post #69
daenz wrote: post #37

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We sacrificed the mental health of the young for the physical health of the old.

My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents. A pretty large number of kids are raised by "the old", too. https://www.prb.org/resources/more-u-s-children-raised-by-gr...

Learning to over come loss is something people have always had to deal with. Forced isolation is not.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by TeeMassive »

beefman wrote: post #129
TeeMassive wrote: post #61

Serious question: should we let this more infectious but less dangerous run its course to achieve natural immunity? What are the arguments for and against this strategy? I know that if it is 5 times less likely to put people in hospitals but 10 times more transmissible then there will be 2 times more people in hospitals, but are there more arguments?

Who's "we" and what makes you think they have any control over the matter?

In the US there's an important legal document that begins with "We the People".

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by Reichhardt »

zaat wrote: post #137
Reichhardt wrote: post #134

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Quoted post unavailable.

I'm afraid you have no more relevant knowledge in the subject then I do, which means your claims shouldn't be considered as an authoritative in any way, despite being stated as such. I'm out of here.

"U.S. COVID-19 Deaths in 2021 Surpass 2020 Total"

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-202...

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by bonzini »

adam_arthur wrote: post #131
runjake wrote: post #62

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You’re going to have to lay down the logic behind this one for me. I am not getting it.

The gist OP is getting at, though not put so eloquently, is that covid is endemic and there will continue to be deaths, even in a world with 100% vaccinated and boosted people. So covid being "over" is really a state of mind/choice of when to accept that it's endemic and drop the hysterics/restrictions. Omicron should be cheered as an effectively natural vaccine that looks to quickly end the worst of covid, yet media…

> Omicron should be cheered as an effectively natural vaccine that looks to quickly end the worst of covid

In the medium term yes; in the short term, with millions of unvaccinated people and a very fast exponential growth, it still has potential to overflow healthcare.

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Post by Imnimo »

xyzzyz wrote: post #170
zaat wrote: post #130

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I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.

I agree. However, the currently existing vaccines don’t seem to do anything at all to stop the spread, so your biannual vaccination does not help grandma much.

How are you estimating what the spread would have been in the absence of vaccination to draw that conclusion?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by Maarten88 »

xyzzyz wrote: post #169
DrHilarius wrote: post #124

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As always, the standard gimmick of neoliberalism is to pin the blame for the collateral damage of its policies on the relatively powerless people who refuse its self-serving "solutions."

Which non-“neoliberal” (whatever that means) country had plenty excess hospital capacity to handle peak Covid case counts?

Cuba?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by pakitan »

ceejayoz wrote: post #69
daenz wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We sacrificed the mental health of the young for the physical health of the old.

My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents. A pretty large number of kids are raised by "the old", too. https://www.prb.org/resources/more-u-s-children-raised-by-gr...

> My kids' mental health would be pretty heavily impacted by the death of their grandparents.

Yes, because without covid their grandparents will live forever.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by jacquesm »

clairity wrote: post #93
epgui wrote: post #22

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I was not "appealing to authority". The fact that I'm an expert in the field is, imo, valuable meta-information. I weigh people's opinions differently if they're rooted in expertise than if they're random anonymous people on the internet. Do what you want with that information, and please forgive my hasty edits: sometimes when I read back what I wrote, I notice that I'm missing something. There's no bad faith there.

sorry, being 'an expert' has no bearing on the veracity of your claims. and further, claiming the nominative of 'expert' tends to negatively correlate with veracity. at best, you're an expert at the thing you study deeply, not the whole field. you perhaps may be more knowledgeable about different aspects of a given field, but that doesn't give you extraordinary powers of insight or reasoning. the exact opposite of yo…

> sorry, being 'an expert' has no bearing on the veracity of your claims

Actually, it does.

> claiming the nominative of 'expert' tends to negatively correlate with veracity. at best

Not in my experience.

> the exact opposite of your appeal is what teases out the known from the unknown, by triangulating from many arguments/opinions (the more, the better) whether they be 'expert' or not (the less correlated, the better).

So, by your reasoning we should all ask out bakers for information about software development because they definitely aren't experts and they certainly will have opinions about it.

This isn't a popularity contest, we're talking about actual knowledge here, and experts have usually spent a good chunk of their life acquiring it. You can't just toss that overboard in some kind of 'equal time' play (or in your case, even worse, a less than equal time) simply because everybody's opinions are equally valid. Expertise counts for something, no matter what the field.

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