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Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by brippalcharrid »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #105
standardUser wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The primary concern form day one has been the capacity of our healthcare systems. "Peak pandemic mortality" includes scores of people dying from unrelated illness due to lack of care. Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to…

> Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to grind pretend to think that. Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospit…

When you say "unvaccinated" here are you using the currently-accepted official definition which includes people that have received a COVID-19 EUA vaccination/booster within the last 14 days? Do you think that this would be likely to make people that were were concerned about side-effects from the vaccines more or less likely to get vaccinated?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by soperj »

nradov wrote: post #90
lotsofpulp wrote: post #85

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What are the histories of the other coronaviruses? And would those histories be more relevant than histories of non coronaviruses?

Another coronavirus probably caused a worldwide pandemic starting in 1889. It killed a lot of people, but the survivors gained natural immunity which gave them significant protection against symptomatic reinfections. The same virus HCoV-OC43 is still endemic today. This seems relevant to the current pandemic. https://sfamjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/175... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC…

'The evidence 1889-1890 outbreak was caused by a coronavirus has been referred to as "weak" and "conjectural" in an analysis of the literature'

Seems this theory has only gained traction in the last 2 years.

Looking into it further, case fatality rate of during the 1889-90 outbreak seemed to be 0.1-0.28, much lower than Covid-19 has been.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by kaczordon »

nradov wrote: post #121
lotsofpulp wrote: post #105

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> Does anyone truly think its acceptable to let people die in ambulances outside of hospitals because a highly contagious disease filled all the hospital beds and medical staff is too fatigued to work? Maybe people with a political axe to grind pretend to think that. Given widespread availability of vaccines, I think it is acceptable to turn away any non vaccinated people without medical exemptions to preserve hospit…

In the US, hospitals aren't legally allowed to turn away non vaccinated people due to EMTALA. Also note that there is no 100% reliable way for hospitals to determine a particular patient's vaccination status. https://www.cms.gov/Regulations-and-Guidance/Legislation/EMT...

Regardless of the legality of turning people away the commenter you’re responding to sounds pretty heartless.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by mlcrypto »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #85
soperj wrote: post #45

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Hopefully... the history of diseases before vaccines (polio, measles, smallpox, black plague, etc) doesn't exactly fill me with a lot of hope for it just becoming less deadly naturally, even if there are examples (Spanish flu) where they have.

What are the histories of the other coronaviruses? And would those histories be more relevant than histories of non coronaviruses?

Common cold has a variety of coronaviruses

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by pessimizer »

pacerwpg wrote: post #70
3maj wrote: post #55

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This is complete nonsense. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.01.21259785v... In Israel (I use them because they have a fantastic dashboard) not a single individual under the age of 19 has died of covid. Stop fear mongering.

I don't think he claimed anybody died.

Children have died. It's just that the numbers are very small, and the hospitals are not in any way packed with young people.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by epgui »

clairity wrote: post #93
epgui wrote: post #22

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I was not "appealing to authority". The fact that I'm an expert in the field is, imo, valuable meta-information. I weigh people's opinions differently if they're rooted in expertise than if they're random anonymous people on the internet. Do what you want with that information, and please forgive my hasty edits: sometimes when I read back what I wrote, I notice that I'm missing something. There's no bad faith there.

sorry, being 'an expert' has no bearing on the veracity of your claims. and further, claiming the nominative of 'expert' tends to negatively correlate with veracity. at best, you're an expert at the thing you study deeply, not the whole field. you perhaps may be more knowledgeable about different aspects of a given field, but that doesn't give you extraordinary powers of insight or reasoning. the exact opposite of yo…

We're no longer talking about the subject matter, but there is absolutely value in knowing whether an opinion is informed by expertise or not. I did not "appeal to expertise", I merely signalled that I had expertise in the field. This has value.

I suspect that a small minority of Hacker News participants are biochemists/biologists/life scientists, so the default assumption when you read comments on these topics is that they probably come from smart non-experts. By adding this extra information, I wasn't making my argument any better: I was only providing the readers with extra meta-information.

I won't bother explaining the dangers of the appeal to authority, because I am persuaded that you are already familiar with the fallacy. However, I will say that not every form of "expertise signalling" is an appeal to authority, and it is usually a very good idea to defer to expertise.

I recommend this article on the subject, if you're interested in seeing where I'm coming from: https://thelogicofscience.com/2015/03/20/the-rules-of-logic-...

Edit: and I will happily and readily admit that I am not the "most expert" person on any subject, and I myself pretty much always defer to the expertise of those who are more expert than me.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by randomopining »

disambiguation wrote: post #32

We're going to look back on our treatment of children these past 2 years as one of the greatest blunders in the history of public health policy.

I always said they should've just let all kids, college kids, etc just get it super quick. Isolate the colleges, let them party etc. Massive herd immunity after 4-6 weeks and then that huge part of society is fine.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

mint2 wrote: post #112
tonguez wrote: post #102

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your kids mental health might also be impacted by seeing a horror movie… that does not compare to being locked inside and unable to socialize for 2 years

Are you comparing seeing a horror movie to people’s close relatives dying… ?

Strawman fallacy.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

janeroe wrote: post #68
disambiguation wrote: post #32

We're going to look back on our treatment of children these past 2 years as one of the greatest blunders in the history of public health policy.

> one of the greatest blunders in the history of public health policy Is it a blunder when malice is involved?

Greed and lust for power. Doesn't need to be malice.
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