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Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by adam_arthur »

runjake wrote: post #62
skocznymroczny wrote: post #60

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There's no moving past covid until an exit plan is announced. If there isn't one, the only hope of moving past covid is resistance. If people stopped rushing for the latest vaccine, stopped getting tested regularly, even without symptoms, we would be past covid already.

You’re going to have to lay down the logic behind this one for me. I am not getting it.

The gist OP is getting at, though not put so eloquently, is that covid is endemic and there will continue to be deaths, even in a world with 100% vaccinated and boosted people.

So covid being "over" is really a state of mind/choice of when to accept that it's endemic and drop the hysterics/restrictions.

Omicron should be cheered as an effectively natural vaccine that looks to quickly end the worst of covid, yet media continues to fear monger about case counts, by and large. I am seeing some articles speaking to it as beneficial though.

The fear a lot of people have over covid is totally out of proportion with the actual data, and media by and large continues to stoke these fears.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by dbcurtis »

edmundsauto wrote: post #111
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #81

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You've been downvoted, but you're not wrong. Witness the number of people who have left California.

According to a UC study last summer, there hasn't been an abnormal number of people leaving California. https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/press-room/uc-studies... "Despite California losing a congressional seat for the first time in history due to slow population growth and some high-profile technology companies and billionaires leaving the state, there is no evidence of an abnormal increase in residents plannin…

Recently released (days ago) US census data disagrees. Only New York had higher outmigration in absolute numbers than California.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by phonypc »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #115
phonypc wrote: post #59

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No they don't. The study that article references is hot garbage. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dumpster-diving-in-vaers-do...

85% of VAERS reports are made by physicians. 100% are validated by the CDC. What’s important is to disqualify the best information available so you just have to accept vague assertions from authority.

VAERS is not the best information available by any means, but it is indeed a valid source of information. The issue with the paper is that it misuses the information and draws conclusions that aren't actually indicated.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by Reichhardt »

zaat wrote: post #130
Reichhardt wrote: post #106

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From examining Swedish death spike data, you can see that viruses like COVID occur about once a decade, the last being Swine Flu in 2009: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-... Its just that, using Swedish data again, Western societies are significantly more aged: eg. there 120,000 80-84 year old men (prime COVID death territory) in 2020, vs only 101,000 in 2009. Its similar in many other Wes…

I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.

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Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by epgui »

retrac wrote: post #53
epgui wrote: post #27

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You make a great point about animal reservoirs, but the transmission bandwidth between humans and animals is afaik much lower than between humans. If you accept this assumption, and if we also assume that we really wanted to eradicate this thing, we could limit human transmission such as to reduce Rt well below 1 by implementing well-coordinated and strict policies. Then you're left with the "leaky bucket" of transmi…

Here in Canada, we've been trying to eradicate rabies from the wild for half a century or so now. There are orally-active rabies vaccines we litter the landscape with in edible treat format. We cull rabid animals and quarantine or cull their known animal contacts. It's common knowledge that exposure to possible vectors means you need to go to the hospital. Tens of thousands of people are treated preventatively each y…

Yeah, eradication of a disease in the wild is a whole other matter. But so rabies also is another matter. Cases are relatively rare here (hello, fellow Canadian!), and surveillance is relatively good for the little burden of disease it brings.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/rab...

Genetic surveillance is just around the corner, and will soon be / is now within reach even of developing countries, with solutions like Oxford Nanopore's ultra-portable sequencers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RRSxWtJPUw

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by oezi »

chana_masala wrote: post #97
lern_too_spel wrote: post #57

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The policy question this answers is whether to vaccinate children who have previously been infected, not whether to vaccinate children who have never been infected. The best decision for the latter group remains vaccination.

Children have nearly no risk of complications with covid vs. quite a large risk with the vaccine.

Among all infectious diseases children are facing Covid is one of the most severe.

The worst side effect of the vaccine (myocarditis in young males) has been eliminated with better dosing protocols.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by zaat »

Reichhardt wrote: post #134
zaat wrote: post #130

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I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.

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I'm afraid you have no more relevant knowledge in the subject then I do, which means your claims shouldn't be considered as an authoritative in any way, despite being stated as such. I'm out of here.

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by adam_arthur »

beefman wrote: post #129
TeeMassive wrote: post #61

Serious question: should we let this more infectious but less dangerous run its course to achieve natural immunity? What are the arguments for and against this strategy? I know that if it is 5 times less likely to put people in hospitals but 10 times more transmissible then there will be 2 times more people in hospitals, but are there more arguments?

Who's "we" and what makes you think they have any control over the matter?

Well, many governments reinstating restrictions, for one.

These work to slow the spread, which given the innocuous nature of Omicron, seem more damaging than helpful. Not that any government ever considered second order effects of these policies to begin with...

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by pessimizer »

indigochill wrote: post #30
kiba wrote: post #21

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Indeed! I really hope governments will start recognising this and give us back our freedom. Media messages and restrictions are still pretty negative, despite the lack of severity. I don't know how can they talk about another lockdown. A lockdown is probably impractical at this point, but we are stuck with a disease that will be a health burden on humanity that will be difficult to eliminate. For example, if a diseas…

> For example, if a disease kills 40,000 people per year. That's 400,000 people in a decade. A drop in the bucket of humanity for sure, but that's about a city size population. That's not counting the collectively lost days in term of feeling terrible. Heart disease kills 659,000 people a year in the US alone ( https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm ), but for some reason we're not having COVID-level panic about…

I don't understand this argument at all. Are you saying that if heart disease went from killing 650 thousand people a year to 1.3 million people a year, that wouldn't cause a massive freakout?

Re: Children develop robust and sustained cross-reactive immunity after Covid

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Post by tshaddox »

dbcurtis wrote: post #132
edmundsauto wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a UC study last summer, there hasn't been an abnormal number of people leaving California. https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/press-room/uc-studies... "Despite California losing a congressional seat for the first time in history due to slow population growth and some high-profile technology companies and billionaires leaving the state, there is no evidence of an abnormal increase in residents plannin…

Recently released (days ago) US census data disagrees. Only New York had higher outmigration in absolute numbers than California.

California would be expected to have the largest outmigration given that it has the largest population.
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