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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by FooBarWidget »

e9 wrote: post #328
FooBarWidget wrote: post #36

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I doubt it. China is not there yet w.r.t. semiconductor independence. There are people who say, buy AMD, but AMD is also subject to US laws... So what will happen instead? From what I've seen so far, China is careful with counterattacking US because they know the US is stronger. I think the govt will just issue an angry statement but do nothing concrete internationally, while continuing their domestic efforts of semi…

Alibaba recently announced new CPU they developed based on ARM: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alibaba-unveils-128-core-s...

There are companies that are competitive in CPU design. But CPU manufacturing is a bottleneck. At the low end, they lack scale (until the new factories are built). At the high end (beyond about 14nm), they either lack an independent supply chain (and are thus susceptible to sanctions) or ability (beyond 10 nm requires EUV).

Furthermore, what we're talking about here is replacing x86. There is indeed a joint venture with AMD, but at the end of the day x86 is still US intellectual property and thus susceptible to sanctions.

It would be a different matter if they decide to replace x86 wholesale with something else, e.g. ARM or RISC-V. That is certainly more feasible today than a decade ago, with Android being a major platform and no longer being constrained to just Windows. But it's probably still a large amount of effort.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by sumedh »

namdnay wrote: post #199
sumedh wrote: post #99

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> want you to believe Are you claiming that politicians are not liars?

That's exactly the kind of easy cynicism that serves no-one. Yes, everyone lies, politicians and non-politicians. "you're looking good", "our product already does this", "i was just about to do that", "it's our highest priority"... and in a job where you are constantly being asked to satisfy everyone, of course there are going to be fibs. But there are relatively honest politicians and there are absolute sociopaths l…

> But there are relatively honest politicians

So instead of sugar coating you just need to say they lie less compared to other politicians.

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Post by throwawaylinux »

ben_w wrote: post #428
throwawaylinux wrote: post #411

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I am correct, and most people can deduct and extrapolate and draw from other experiences and observations and don't need everything spelt out for them to "pattern-match".

> don't need everything spelt out for them to "pattern-match". At least three people you’re responding to here don’t see how Intel is being “woke” in any pejorative sense. If I do as you suggest, deduct and extrapolate and draw from other experiences, I have two hypotheses: 1: you personally do not believe that there is a genocide occurring in these concentration camps with forced labour in them, and anyone who says…

> At least three people you’re responding to here don’t see how Intel is being “woke” in any pejorative sense.

That's because they (claim to) not know what it means and are unwilling or incapable of finding out.

And your hypotheses are laughable. My hypotheses is that they are based on nothing but an infantile emotional reaction to somebody using the word woke, which is now well entrenched in common vernacular whether you like it or not.

EDIT: You can see the deleted comment if you change your settings.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by viktorcode »

dang wrote: post #297
viktorcode wrote: post #56

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Please don't post generic flamewar comments to HN, and certainly not generic nationalistic flamewar comments. It's against the site guidelines and everything we're trying for this forum to be. No, I'm not defending genocide. I'm just trying to defend this forum from burning itself to a crisp. There are lots of other places on the internet to hurl platitudes at enemies. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry, I didn't think about it. In that case I would suggest avoid the posting the news like that one, if it is against site rules.

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Post by viktorcode »

bscphil wrote: post #228
viktorcode wrote: post #56

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I disagree. They genuinely don't believe it is genocide. There's even international disagreement about the proper characterization of it. Most countries sufficiently propagandize their own citizens to inoculate them against the view that their own actions represent crimes against humanity, regardless of how they come to be viewed decades or centuries later. I don't think the core of your idea is wrong though. The dis…

I wonder how many people in China know facts about their country's labour camps and Xinjiang policies and still find that acceptable, not considering this a genocide.

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Post by estaseuropano »

echaozh wrote: post #420
perihelions wrote: post #407

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A quick search shows as of 2019, Fairphone's suppliers included the Chinese company O-Film [0], which at the time was using forced labor from Xinjiang. They probably had no way of knowing this; Apple [1] was burned by the same firm. The company transported Uyghur victims to a factory southern China (Jiangxi in the Bloomberg article), so Xinjiang wasn't indicated as part of the supply chain anywhere. How much actual i…

It's really absurd to call any labor performed by Uygur inside China forced labor. Are Uygurs so lazy to deny any labor? Or can they not prefer working in factories than, say, farming or herding cattles? As to the ideology and gratitude part, I think people may alter their ideology if they so choose. After all, the Romans switched to Christianity, and slavery was once legal in the States. And people should be able to…

Your comment makes no sense. No one claims that all Uyghur work is forced labour. As the parent comment and article make clear this is about actual forced labour.

And notably the roman empire doesn't exist anymore and the States have outlawed slavery as it is an abhorrent practice that should be outlawed everywhere.

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Post by ben_w »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #433
ben_w wrote: post #428

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> don't need everything spelt out for them to "pattern-match". At least three people you’re responding to here don’t see how Intel is being “woke” in any pejorative sense. If I do as you suggest, deduct and extrapolate and draw from other experiences, I have two hypotheses: 1: you personally do not believe that there is a genocide occurring in these concentration camps with forced labour in them, and anyone who says…

> At least three people you’re responding to here don’t see how Intel is being “woke” in any pejorative sense. That's because they (claim to) not know what it means and are unwilling or incapable of finding out. And your hypotheses are laughable. My hypotheses is that they are based on nothing but an infantile emotional reaction to somebody using the word woke, which is now well entrenched in common vernacular whethe…

> That's because they (claim to) not know what it means and are unwilling or incapable of finding out.

The definitions which you yourself have given, lead to my hypotheses.

The fact you are digging in, using insults like “infantile” when you’re being given the chance to supply an alternative, actually makes me think worse — I always prefer to assume good faith, and in this case good faith was to assume you didn’t realise what you look like to others. Hence showing you and asking you to do better.

All it would have taken to not lead to me thinking you’re using “woke” as an insult rather than an actual description would be for you to, y’know, not be snarky.

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Post by rg111 »

kbelder wrote: post #262
jollybean wrote: post #28

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Surprisingly, there are a lot of strikes, labour issues, and general unrest in China. Instead of thinking about it like a 'Orwellian State' - think of it more like an Orwellian State that could go 'off' at anytime. Note that citizens are concerned about their prosperity - as long as growth is happening and money comes in - they are content. But they are also ultra nationalist and ultra ethnocentric to the point where…

I have a sinking feeling that something horrible is going to hit China in, say, the next two-three decades. Not sure whether it'll be a cultural shift, economic collapse, but I think the way they're structured once it starts to falter it's going to explode in a really unpleasant way. Like exceeding Mao-level deaths. The West is messier, in a lot of ways, but I think they're more fault-tolerant.

Isn't this the risk with all totalitarian, overly centralized systems?

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Post by LinuxBender »

Lio wrote: post #399
silisili wrote: post #274

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> The hardest to find was a power drill. Depending on where you live and what you like....DeWalt and high end Craftsman make drills in the USA. Makita makes some in Japan. I believe Bosch does some in Germany, but don't quote me on that.

The Bosch Professional 18V drills (blue) are made in Malaysia. Sadly the battery packs are still made in china though. Battery tech seems to be a big problem in general.

I suspect in the next few years that will be less of an issue. There are companies currently ramping up in Japan, Germany and the UK that are making 3D printed solid state batteries that will be lighter, higher capacity, higher C rating than the current batteries. The tech exists, is safety certified but not yet in mass production.

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Post by Lio »

silisili wrote: post #410
Lio wrote: post #399

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The Bosch Professional 18V drills (blue) are made in Malaysia. Sadly the battery packs are still made in china though. Battery tech seems to be a big problem in general.

What's interesting there is that internally, all of them use Samsung, made in Korea batteries. They just assemble the case and circuitry in China.

I bought a Samsung power bank recently and was surprised that it was made in china and not Korea.

If that’s just assembly that would make sense considering Samsung’s expertese.

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