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https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1474238289355943949 >Look like no more pretending you are a passenger to play games while driving. The car will now ask you "Adjust the passenger seat controls to verify you are a passenger." >Suddenly that passenger lumbar control becomes super used I guess? not exactly clear what has been implemented
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which are also where your only instruments are located I think this is the most important fact to note here. If the primary instruments were on a separate display, this would not have been as severe of a concern. It's another reason why having a single touchscreen as the interface of a car is a horrible idea. I've seen a lot of newer cars where the instruments are all in the center instead of immediately behind the w…
It’s not the only interface though. You have been lied to. The car can be driven while the screen software is rebooting, with no screen and manual controls.
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which are also where your only instruments are located I think this is the most important fact to note here. If the primary instruments were on a separate display, this would not have been as severe of a concern. It's another reason why having a single touchscreen as the interface of a car is a horrible idea. I've seen a lot of newer cars where the instruments are all in the center instead of immediately behind the w…
I wonder if any research has been done about safety around touch controls? It's so much easier to reach over and hit a physical button or rotate a physical dial that you know is in the same spot every time without having to look at it compared to a touch interface that will by adjust depending on the app running. Like I appreciate the power that something like Apple CarPlay and Android Auto bring to the infotainment…
Fast forward a few years and the Raspberry Pi was released. My first RPi project was to built a new in car entertainment system. I used Go v1.0 (at that time even methods weren’t supported) and built a media player with text to speech. The entertainment system had 6 buttons:
1. Previous artist 2. Previous album 3. Previous song / replay song 4. Skip song 5. Skip album 6. Skip artist
The media centre would then use text to speech to read the artist, album and song details out over the speakers before playing the tracks.
This system was designed so I never needed to take my eyes off the road and it worked amazingly.
Unfortunately I’m not an electrical engineer so the device was ugly and started to fall apart quite quickly. I think it only lasted < 1 year. But I learned a lot from that experiment: there is a lot of missed opportunities for innovation in the car entertainment domain.
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absolutely absurd coddling of the end user
I've had enough close calls with people playing with their radio/hvac that I'd rather have everyone pull over to set up Bluetooth than end up in a ditch somewhere
I understand people usually drive alone but its gonna be hard to police this long term unless we start solving the real problems like why are touch screens being used in cars at all??? they are the worst possible ux for maximum distraction!
I get it, but this reminds me of how my car doesn't allow my wife (in the passenger seat) to set up bluetooth pairing while I am driving. Pretty inconvenient during road trips to have to pull off the highway, because the car doesn't trust that it's the passenger working the center console...
Road trips? Plural? How many times have you had to pair your bluetooth to your car...
Sometimes bluetooth just seems to get itself in a state where things won't connect and you have to start again. It happens on pretty much everything with me eventually, be it my bluetooth keyboard with my laptop, my phone and my car, my headphones and iPhone...
When I first heard about video games in Teslas, my first thought was about Ender’s Game. Will there be a time where self-driving cars are piloted/assisted by players of massive online gaming platforms? It’s been shown that monitoring a vehicle that is mostly driving itself is not an easy task for humans. But if you gamify it and add several layers of redundancy (multiple people effectively monitoring the same vehicle…
or basically outsource driving to some 3rd world country?
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If your eyes aren't on the road, you aren't driving. I have zero sympathy for any of the edge cases people tend to bring up except checking your speed. Just drive the car. Take your tech-addled brains out of dopamine acquisition mode for the duration of the drive, then have a big 'ol binge at the end if you must. It's such trivial things that people risk their lives for too. A sort of trashy naivety. Like smoking at…
>If your eyes aren't on the road, you aren't driving. >I have zero sympathy for any of the edge cases people tend to bring up except checking your speed. You're saying the speedometer is the only instrument that needs to be scanned regularly? I would've said that the speedometer really isn't needed - if you go with traffic and don't hang out in the passing lane, you're never going to get in trouble. It's a lot more i…
In practice, I'd hazard a yes.
Keyword: regularly...unless you're driving something that's pissing oil all over the place and/or has a cooling system that's out of service, at which point you clearly have much bigger maintenance problems and probably shouldn't be on the road with that vehicle anyways (perhaps even in a lawful sense).
> I would've said that the speedometer really isn't needed - if you go with traffic and don't hang out in the passing lane, you're never going to get in trouble.
The obvious naivety here is a dependency on another driver ahead of you both maintaining situational awareness and doing the right thing...never mind sparse traffic scenarios, e.g. super late/early hours, neighborhoods, small towns, rural areas, etc. In the case of incident, the police won't care; your insurance provider won't care.
> It's a lot more important to me to know if I've lost oil pressure or am overheating.
Contrived. There's a reason why high-contrast event indicators (termed "telltale" as defined by US FMVSS statutory regulation[1]) baked directly into every passenger vehicle which control for permissible location, identification, color, and illumination targeting driver visibility. These discrete telltales are explicitly designed to ping a driver's peripheral vision with the intent of eliminating a need for active monitoring in practice.
[1] https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...
https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1474238289355943949 >Look like no more pretending you are a passenger to play games while driving. The car will now ask you "Adjust the passenger seat controls to verify you are a passenger." >Suddenly that passenger lumbar control becomes super used I guess? not exactly clear what has been implemented
They are asking user to use the passenger seat control which is hard to reach if you are in the driving seat.
What about the idea that, as a customer who bought and owns something, you should have control over that thing, not the other way around? I am not saying this is the stronger argument. It's still an argument, though, and it surprised me to find this sentiment missing from the comments (granted, we're at only 7 comments right now). Why would something we want applied to smartphones and PCs not apply to cars?
But the government owns the roads, so the same applies to them. If they say you can't drive and game... you can't drive and game.
And let's be fair here, you buy a car to drive on public roads.
This was clearly a terrible idea from the beginning. They presumable thinking was that autopilot/fsd would be driving the car so the driver could play games. At the same time they’re claiming that they aren’t responsible for autopilot crashes because the driver is always meant to be able to instantly be in control of the car. You can’t really do both “the driver can be focused on non driving tasks” and also “the driv…
> They presumable thinking was that autopilot/fsd would be driving the car so the driver could play games. Arrgh. It was a feature for the passenger to play games while preserving the driving UI. Absolutely no one intended for this to be used by drivers. There isn't even any evidence of a driver being caught doing this. The coverage is basically clickbait, and you appear to have bought it exactly as it was intended.…