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Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by charcircuit »

MereInterest wrote: post #36
gnicholas wrote: post #22

When I first heard about video games in Teslas, my first thought was about Ender’s Game. Will there be a time where self-driving cars are piloted/assisted by players of massive online gaming platforms? It’s been shown that monitoring a vehicle that is mostly driving itself is not an easy task for humans. But if you gamify it and add several layers of redundancy (multiple people effectively monitoring the same vehicle…

If multiple people need to be monitoring a single vehicle, doesn't that increase the total time investment required? Freeing up the driver's time isn't worth spending an equivalent amount of time by multiple others. Though, your comment on latency did give me an idea. What if we were to co-locate the person monitoring the system within the car itself? That would free up the driver to do other tasks, and would avoid t…

>doesn't that increase the total time investment required?

Sure, but not everyone values their time the same.

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by 1123581321 »

rektide wrote: post #15

a reminder that automobiles in the united states kill 36 thousand people a year (~6k being pedestrians), cause >3 million medically consulted injuries, and >10m property damages/non-disabling injuries. i have a hard time with this issue of what is permitted in a car. personally i feel like a good driver, like i will handle things fine. but i also once was going up an icy highway late at night & ended up spinning 360…

Passionate but too austere. This would lead to people packing speakers in the car and other distracting behavior, and lead to too many people zoning out or falling asleep. Additionally, for those who have to drive many hours of their lives, it would be wasteful. Some value must be assigned there.

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

perl4ever wrote: post #37
ehnto wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your eyes aren't on the road, you aren't driving. I have zero sympathy for any of the edge cases people tend to bring up except checking your speed. Just drive the car. Take your tech-addled brains out of dopamine acquisition mode for the duration of the drive, then have a big 'ol binge at the end if you must. It's such trivial things that people risk their lives for too. A sort of trashy naivety. Like smoking at…

>If your eyes aren't on the road, you aren't driving. >I have zero sympathy for any of the edge cases people tend to bring up except checking your speed. You're saying the speedometer is the only instrument that needs to be scanned regularly? I would've said that the speedometer really isn't needed - if you go with traffic and don't hang out in the passing lane, you're never going to get in trouble. It's a lot more i…

Unfortunately in AU too many people speed. Going with the flow would result in a few fines I’d rather not have.

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by ryzvonusef » 

    https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1474238289355943949

    >Look like no more pretending you are a passenger to play games while driving. The car will now ask you "Adjust the passenger seat controls to verify you are a passenger."

    >Suddenly that passenger lumbar control becomes super used I guess?
not exactly clear what has been implemented

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by Dylan16807 »

millimeterman wrote: post #38
userbinator wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On behalf of the entire aftermarket and performance tuning community: "fuck you". We have minimum requirements for licensing, but otherwise we still have the freedom. Of course you are still liable for any damages caused, but that's called personal responsibility.

There are plenty of aftermarket mods and tuning that are perfectly road legal. And if for some reason you need to stray outside those, I figure you can afford to keep a dedicated track car around. "Personal responsibility" doesn't work when your lack of responsibility puts other people at risk. Also, I'm pretty sure most people don't care one bit what that community wants. When I hear "aftermarket and performance tun…

> There are plenty of aftermarket mods and tuning that are perfectly road legal.

There sure are, but the idea of getting tweaks certified would be a big change.

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by FireBeyond »

userbinator wrote: post #28
jeroenhd wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is that it's very hard to accidentally kill a family by messing with your PC or smartphone, assuming you're not doing it while driving. Your own safety is your own responsibility and if you want to try for a Darwin award you should be allowed to, but you're not the likely victim of something goes wrong. Cars are inherently dangerous, mostly to the people around you. Modern car safety makes sure you can…

On behalf of the entire aftermarket and performance tuning community: "fuck you". We have minimum requirements for licensing, but otherwise we still have the freedom. Of course you are still liable for any damages caused, but that's called personal responsibility.

As someone who has a tuned RS 5, you don't speak on behalf of any "entire community".

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by burrows »

charcircuit wrote: post #41
MereInterest wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If multiple people need to be monitoring a single vehicle, doesn't that increase the total time investment required? Freeing up the driver's time isn't worth spending an equivalent amount of time by multiple others. Though, your comment on latency did give me an idea. What if we were to co-locate the person monitoring the system within the car itself? That would free up the driver to do other tasks, and would avoid t…

>doesn't that increase the total time investment required? Sure, but not everyone values their time the same.

Right, which is suggested by “gamification”. If Billy and Bobby and Jimmy want to drive my car around because it’s part of the new Fast & Bicurious then everyone wins!

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by Dylan16807 »

MereInterest wrote: post #36
gnicholas wrote: post #22

When I first heard about video games in Teslas, my first thought was about Ender’s Game. Will there be a time where self-driving cars are piloted/assisted by players of massive online gaming platforms? It’s been shown that monitoring a vehicle that is mostly driving itself is not an easy task for humans. But if you gamify it and add several layers of redundancy (multiple people effectively monitoring the same vehicle…

If multiple people need to be monitoring a single vehicle, doesn't that increase the total time investment required? Freeing up the driver's time isn't worth spending an equivalent amount of time by multiple others. Though, your comment on latency did give me an idea. What if we were to co-locate the person monitoring the system within the car itself? That would free up the driver to do other tasks, and would avoid t…

> What if we were to co-locate the person monitoring the system within the car itself?

Why would we want to do that if it's not necessary?

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by burrows »

teawrecks wrote: post #25
paweladamczuk wrote: post #12

What about the idea that, as a customer who bought and owns something, you should have control over that thing, not the other way around? I am not saying this is the stronger argument. It's still an argument, though, and it surprised me to find this sentiment missing from the comments (granted, we're at only 7 comments right now). Why would something we want applied to smartphones and PCs not apply to cars?

No one cares what you do in your car when it's in your driveway. The issue is doing unsafe things while on a public owned and regulated road. Same reason you can't just drive any vehicle on the road, or use just any parts. They have to be road legal.

Just put it to a vote, “Who thinks we should be able to use our phones, eat hamburgers and readjust our balls while driving? Okay, yup. And the nays?”

This is a democracy people.

Re: Tesla bows to pressure, stops allowing drivers to play video games while driving

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Post by Dylan16807 »

greyface- wrote: post #33
ajross wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They presumable thinking was that autopilot/fsd would be driving the car so the driver could play games. Arrgh. It was a feature for the passenger to play games while preserving the driving UI. Absolutely no one intended for this to be used by drivers. There isn't even any evidence of a driver being caught doing this. The coverage is basically clickbait, and you appear to have bought it exactly as it was intended.…

> There isn't even any evidence of a driver being caught doing this. Elsewhere in this very discussion, a driver admitted to doing this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29670414

They said they tried and the car wouldn't let them. A quick test even if successful shouldn't count, and a failed test definitely doesn't count.
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