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Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#31
The question for reddit isn't whether or not people enjoy it and want to spend time on it, but whether or not the owners can make money selling those people's attention. The traffic to reddit - while admirably large - is relatively unattractive to most advertisers.

"Reach" (impressions/eyeballs) are only important insofar as you're talking to someone who might buy what you're selling (see "relevancy"). The sub-reddit system could theoretically segment the audience in interesting ways, but other than r/gaming, there aren't many natural industry fits amongst popular sub-reddits.

Anecdotally, the audience would also seem to be advertisement-averse. An advertiser should be willing to pay network prices for the audience (i.e. pennies CPM), which makes it a nice living for a small group of folks living off their passion, but pretty useless to a Condé Nast trying to run a media empire.

I think the business model in a reddit-like site could be selling curated content in other media, e.g. a meme-series of coffee table books. Think Harry Potter, not Oprah.

If you're in the content game, your business's value is in having the attention of a group of people. Your first attempt to monetize that asset needn't be to sell your audience's attention to someone else, in this case undermining your ability to keep their attention. Instead, you should focus on bringing things your audience wants - and would pay for - to them. Sometimes that means you need to make the things they want to buy instead of shilling them for someone else, because no one sells what your people want.

Condé Nast isn't built to do this.

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#32
post #14

Perhaps it's dying and they are trying to cut it loose first.

I can't tell if you're serious or not. In case you are...what makes you think reddit is dying? All indications point to continued explosive growth. I've been on reddit for about 5 or 6 years and it's pretty clear the site goes through growing pains but consistently gets over them. Overall it is better and better every day, with more lively intelligent discussion than even in the beginning days.

There might be a really cool cafe on my block, and I might go in there and have lively discussions with intelligent people, and there might be more and more people in that cafe every day, but if the cafe doesn't sell any coffee it goes out of business.

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#33
post #2

Can someone with more business know-how tell me how a company like Condé Nast benefits from making Reddit an incorporated subsidiary? It doesn't sound like all that much is changing, honestly.

Condé Nast seems to have every intention of 'funding' this new company itself (that is, without raising outside investment), so it's really just removing the "Condé Nast" from the process but maintaining ownership.

Granted, they were rather autonomous (one reason why I know I stayed until the end of my contract) but with money in the bank, the new CEO can simply do things as easily as any of the other startups in the top 50. Before, that money would be going through some other big company approval process -- e.g., if reddit wants to hire away a fabulous programmer, it simply gets done.

If things go well, reddit continues to grow and increase its value, at which point, it could potentially be acquired, IPO [RDIT?], or just become a cash cow for Condé Nast.

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#34
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the other posted article it looks like it will make it easier for them to start selling it off... "The move comes after Conde talked to several investors about selling off a chunk of the company as part of the spinout;"

Selling a minority stake to outside investors is a good way to capitalize the company and give it the resources it needs to grow. Reddit has been notoriously resource-starved. A few hundred million dollars in a partial equity sale fixes that without draining Conde Nast.

The question is, does growing a loss making company make sense? Or should you solve the monetization issue first.

Reddit doesn't need more money, it needs to be brave, slap up some real advertising, and start generating real revenue.

A website that does 100m pageviews, but makes $10m/yr profit is better than one that does 500m pageviews but makes no profit.

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#35

The question for reddit isn't whether or not people enjoy it and want to spend time on it, but whether or not the owners can make money selling those people's attention. The traffic to reddit - while admirably large - is relatively unattractive to most advertisers. "Reach" (impressions/eyeballs) are only important insofar as you're talking to someone who might buy what you're selling (see "relevancy"). The sub-reddit…

Nailed it, joshklein. In fact, publishing xkcd and SMBC (along with the other breadpig products) has taught me a few things about that world. I'm hoping reddit makes good use of them.

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#36

The question for reddit isn't whether or not people enjoy it and want to spend time on it, but whether or not the owners can make money selling those people's attention. The traffic to reddit - while admirably large - is relatively unattractive to most advertisers. "Reach" (impressions/eyeballs) are only important insofar as you're talking to someone who might buy what you're selling (see "relevancy"). The sub-reddit…

Cheezburger Network seems to be scooping up the business model you're mentioning, bringing the 4chan and reddit memes that are likely to have a broad audience into the mainstream and monetizing them.

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#37
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if you're serious or not. In case you are...what makes you think reddit is dying? All indications point to continued explosive growth. I've been on reddit for about 5 or 6 years and it's pretty clear the site goes through growing pains but consistently gets over them. Overall it is better and better every day, with more lively intelligent discussion than even in the beginning days.

There might be a really cool cafe on my block, and I might go in there and have lively discussions with intelligent people, and there might be more and more people in that cafe every day, but if the cafe doesn't sell any coffee it goes out of business.

Sure. But to suggest that the site might be dying at the (so far) height of its popularity seems odd, which is why I was asking for clarification. Would you describe Twitter as dying? Or YouTube? Or any other sites that have been infamously unprofitable for years and years before eventually turning it around?

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#38
post #26
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They're currently experiencing explosive growth so was Digg, and Fark before it, and Slashdot before that. Am I wrong? History shows that these sites are basically popular for a certain amount of time, and then they lose huge market share when they inevitably do something to sour the community-at-large (like trying to monetize).

The thing is, Reddit started at the same time Digg did. It's been growing slowly and consistently ever since. Their growth rate actually hasn't changed much over time. Reddit figured out how to support subcommunities in a way that those other sites never did. In my opinion that's what's different. See also: social networks. Every social network was a passing fad...until Facebook wasn't.

Is it growing slowly and consistently, or experiencing explosive growth? The link I was replying to shows that while Reddit and Digg started at about the same time, Reddit really only took off when Digg committed suicide.

http://soshable.com/reddit-traffic-has-exploded-in-12-months...

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#39

The question for reddit isn't whether or not people enjoy it and want to spend time on it, but whether or not the owners can make money selling those people's attention. The traffic to reddit - while admirably large - is relatively unattractive to most advertisers. "Reach" (impressions/eyeballs) are only important insofar as you're talking to someone who might buy what you're selling (see "relevancy"). The sub-reddit…

Nailed it, joshklein. In fact, publishing xkcd and SMBC (along with the other breadpig products) has taught me a few things about that world. I'm hoping reddit makes good use of them.

The founder of reddit throwing a "nailed it" at me is kind of a swoon-worthy moment. Thanks.

Re: Reddit becomes reddit Inc.

#40
post #16
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as I'm on the board, I'll do everything I can to stop any nonsense like that.

My first thought when they said you were on the board was "Well at least we'll have an honest witness to the train wreck that's likely to ensue." I really hope they actually listen to you. Would you consider taking the CEO job there? Best possible outcome.

Conde Nast buys reddit, and people predict a train wreck. Conde Nast spins reddit off, and people predict a train wreck.

There's just no pleasing you guys...

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