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NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Yes, it does. Bored Ape Yacht Club (BAYC), for example, has physical clubs and events that require users to prove provenance for access. This means signing an address that is a current owner, and applies to both physical and digital access of tertiary goods and services. Signing an address proves access to that address and means they have the private key to move everything. The "right click and save as" "screenshot"…

> "physical clubs and events that require users to prove provenance for access" Feels like the "access to physical events" problem was solved before NFTs. > The "right click and save as" "screenshot" and "twitter photo" people would not have access. But per original question - if I wanted to use any Bored Ape as my Twitter photo, is there anything stopping me? Take your point re: additional digital goods being delive…

> Feels like the "access to physical events" problem was solved before NFTs.

I don't really consider it solved, has Ticketmaster solved festival passes in a way everyone likes? When organizers aren't using ticketmaster, is transferring the ticket solved or is it rife with scams and abuse and arbitrary restrictions and guesswork. The tertiary benefit is also not something NFT's are aiming to solve. You asked and got an answer about what people are doing. Not what it was created to do.

There is nothing stopping you from using a Twitter photo. Also not something an NFT was claiming to solve. This is just a viral strawman where other people created a use case that wasn't presented and then criticized that use case to discredit the other thing. If you want to pretend to own something valuable or be part of a community you can still do that. I don't really understand what that means to you. I guess that's a good follow up question, what does that mean to you?

There is nothing wrong with speculation. This is not exclusive to the NFT space either when it comes to art or any collectible. I'm really having trouble with all the higher standards you are procedurally generating for this one space.

In any case, membership is actually a good example. If NYTimes stopped making infinite memberships, paid monthly, and instead limited it to, say, 100,000 memberships and some of their operation was funded by a portion of royalties when one of the membership was traded, what would the memberships cost? What would people be willing to pay? What would NYTimes have to do to make people willing to pay for access to their investigative journalism? All that's happening is that you are seeing price discovery in a place where there was none. Replace NYTimes with one of the finance ones like WSJ, if that's easier. or with Soho House memberships.

Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Since they're minted from a different address than the original they're not a replica aren't they? They're a different token.

I've never bought an NFT - but do people actually look at block addresses to validate things like this? I just read https://networked.substack.com/p/web3-i-have-my-daots and there's a cute analogy about buying the Mona Lisa, but only getting a record written in some obscure room saying that you own it, i.e. you never actually take possession of the Mona Lisa. You can tell people you own it, but they have to go the ob…

Yes, it's very common to look at the address of an NFT before buying it. Marketplaces do this for you and provide a "verified" badge for NFTs that match well-known collections. No one would mistake the NFT minted on this website for the originals and they would get flagged as scams pretty quickly.

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> You mean if the tulip bubble had never burst? Sure. Exactly. There is no guarantee the NFT bubble will burst! People might keep enjoying these, and investing a significant portion of their lives.

Yes, just like with the Tulip Bubble! It might never have burst, and then we would never have needed NFTs because we’d still be trading tulips.

But I believe everything should be valued this way, including:

- stocks and real estate: people use "objective" metrics like discounting cash flow. But the time preference for discounting cash is subjective.

- precious metals and commodities: there are "objective" stock-to-flow metrics, but they all assume people will still desire precious metals, commodities, and the resulting products. This desire is subjective.

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NFTs. Gaming seems to be it.

But do digital goods in games really justify the Web2 -> Web3 iteration? Compared to Web2 bringing us Gmail, Maps, Facebook etc, feels a little anemic so far.

Yeah it’s pretty terrible so far I agree.

My hunch is that crypto is focusing on the wrong things. I suspect we’ll never have land registers in blockchain (dumb idea anyway).

In NFTs crypto kind of stumbled upon something important, because digital art didn’t have a way to be authenticated by artists themselves, they had to use galleries, it was a mess. Now a digital artist can just drop his stuff onto the world and authenticate it. This was a Real Problem, if you make physical art you can just go to the local arts and crafts or Etsy and charge money for it. But digital art was really hard to monetise. So crypto came in a bit sideways and solved a Real Problem People Had.

Curiously they seem to really focus on “real world” problems, like banks or land registry or whatever, when I’m starting to think this is the entirely wrong way to see crypto. I think it needs to focus on problems that exist in the digital arena Only IE data ownership, data portability.

But the obsessions of the original conceptions around crypto are hard to kill, and I feel like right now there’s a lot of resistance to leaving the Nick Szabo idea of “smart contracts will replace lawyers”, same as it was before with a lot of Nakamoto’s ideas. But I think the “crypto will replace lawyers” and “crypto will replace banks” folks will be sorely disappointed. I see a very low percent chance crypto will change that much about banking just due to the security issues.

Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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And the provenance of which NFT is legitimate and/or original is not on the chain either. I create myartwork.jpeg. Somebody creates an NFT of it. Later, I create an NFT of it. Even later a bunch of people make NFT replicas of both. Which NFT is legitimate? The blockchain doesn't know.

If you publicly state which smart contract is your NFT, then that would be the real one. Similarly someone could claim a physical painting is yours, but you could publicly say it isn't. The blockchain doesn't know anymore than a physical canvas "knows" what is real and what is fake. The blockchain is a tool, the artist is the creator and arbiter of what the real NFT is.

> the artist is the creator and arbiter of what the real NFT is

Then why can't they just be the arbiter of what the real JPEG is and skip a whole step?

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I own the only unique real copy of c6922832e65b60ab8517d7c1c5fd5911. Its scarcity, too, is real.

Not sure what you're saying here but if you put c6922832e65b60ab8517d7c1c5fd5911 as a token on the blockchain there will indeed only be one with only one owner (you). The uniqueness is that it was minted by your wallet. There cannot be another entry like that. NFTs are mostly just that. An ID minted by Wallet X which itself is unique and the social contract gives it a value. That's it.

Thank goodness your use of c6922832e65b60ab8517d7c1c5fd5911 did not impinge on my personal ownership of this valuable number. Plznorightclick.

Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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Yes, just like with the Tulip Bubble! It might never have burst, and then we would never have needed NFTs because we’d still be trading tulips.

But I believe everything should be valued this way, including: - stocks and real estate: people use "objective" metrics like discounting cash flow. But the time preference for discounting cash is subjective. - precious metals and commodities: there are "objective" stock-to-flow metrics, but they all assume people will still desire precious metals, commodities, and the resulting products. This desire is subjective.

Everything is valued this way. All purchases are based on what people think the thing is worth.

Discounted cash flows, etc, are all ways people use to come to their ‘subjective’ conclusions.

It ends up being circular though - yes, human judgement is ultimately part of the equation, but that judgment end up being based on a prediction of future value, and often we can use understanding of markets or the intrinsic value of commodities to industrial processes to assess this.

Many people are arguing that the value of NFTs is in fact not based on an intrinsic value to future processes, and is purely a subjective bubble.

Arguing that all valuations have a component of human judgement and that people may just continue to like NFTs is not a counterargument.

A counterargument would be to explain how that will continue to be valuable independent of the subjective component.

Generally people seem to dodge this, and instead just say ‘everything is subjective’, i.e. the postmodern view.

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But I believe everything should be valued this way, including: - stocks and real estate: people use "objective" metrics like discounting cash flow. But the time preference for discounting cash is subjective. - precious metals and commodities: there are "objective" stock-to-flow metrics, but they all assume people will still desire precious metals, commodities, and the resulting products. This desire is subjective.

Everything is valued this way. All purchases are based on what people think the thing is worth. Discounted cash flows, etc, are all ways people use to come to their ‘subjective’ conclusions. It ends up being circular though - yes, human judgement is ultimately part of the equation, but that judgment end up being based on a prediction of future value, and often we can use understanding of markets or the intrinsic valu…

And therefore... nothing has intrinsic value?

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So you agree that DRM is a way to enforce scarcity in a post scarcity world ? Your words - my software can be copied even though I sell it. exactly the same with NFTs. My Digital art can be copied even though I sell it as an NFT. NFTs don’t enforce scarcity at all, not of the artwork itself.

> So you agree that DRM is a way to enforce scarcity in a post scarcity world ? Yes, and one that is fundamentally flawed, and never should have been attempted in the first place in my opinion, but I think you'll agree that an NFT is not quite the same thing as DRM. > Your words - my software can be copied even though I sell it. exactly the same with NFTs. Ok, there's a semblance of an argument here I don't actually…

I don’t know about other people and their misconceptions. I hope (and think) they are not as widespread as you think.

But yeah I think of NFTs as a novel way to support digital art. Not much else, just pay the artist. Same as buying a painting really, except you don’t really own the painting anymore.

The idea that buying art is anything BUT supporting an artist is pretty funny. It’s as if we’ve normalised art as either an investment or a museum that we can’t touch. Buying art was always meant to just let the artist do his thing!

Selling digital art before NFTs was a complete pain! Before them you had to go with an agency or gallery, they took a cut, they had to like your stuff. It was absolutely painful, full of gate keeping and bullshit I (and many others) hated. Now you just mint (hopefully on a low carbon chain) and off you go, you tweet about it, get some attention, make some money. It’s simple. The fact that there’s a secondary market for it, well there always was one for art.

It certainly attracted a bunch of rubes who buy ape JPEGs but there is an honest revolution in digital art happening right now. Look into FXhash on tezos, I’ve lost count of the amount of generative art on that market and it’s really really mind blowing. People are coding amazing stuff on there and selling it, something which used to be virtually impossible without a gallery and a rep and a bunch of nonsense.

I think an NFT is a form of DRM that doesn’t enforce scarcity - ie you own A license to that artwork but that doesn’t give you the right to it. That license can be bought and sold, maybe eventually that will have value (my personal favourite is that NFTs should allow you to remix the artwork into your own art, but who knows).

Re: NFT Replicas: An app to mint a replica of virtually any NFT

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That isn’t an answer to my question, but it does explain your financial interest in defending NFTs throughout this thread.

You mean because they are good for me and they are good for 99% of the digital artists on this planet?

They are good for you, but you don’t know 99% of the digital artists on this planet or what is good for them.

Indeed you haven’t even told us how many digital artists you know. Only that you are one.

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