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A Survey of Programmers' Cannabis Usage, Perception, and Motivation

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Do you think drinking caffeine is similarly unethical, why or why not?

No, definitely not. In a strict sense, because it is not a federally scheduled drug and I didn't make any agreement with my employer not to use it on the clock. The same argument applies to alcohol, but I've noticed that cultural expectations around drinking are a lot different. A "business lunch" with a beer is no big deal in many (most?) industries. But I've never been at a business lunch where everyone passed arou…

Depends on culture of course. When I worked in Sweden a beer with lunch was considered pretty anathema.

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Anecdotal but I'm a "programmer" at BigTech™ and smoke all day every day, and at this point I can't tell if it helps me or hinders me, but when you smoke all the time, most of these stories you are hearing about in the comments don't happen. At this point in my life, it's just a little "pick me up". It's by no means a micro dose as I probably smoke a gram or 2 a day. But when you live high it's a different kind of be…

Yeah the body quickly develops a tolerance when cannabis is used chronically. In stoner culture people talk about taking “T” breaks for this reason. Other people switch strains to try mitigating the effect.

Smoking a gram or two would be enough to get a newbie high as hell for the entire day. For chronic users it’s more like a cup of coffee that wakes you up for the day. And in that respect, many chronic stoners are forever chasing that feeling of the first time they got high. You can feel that way again, just take a break!

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I love smoking weed. I smoke pretty much every day. Just a little bit, a puff on the vape pen to get my groove going after work. I find it USELESS for problem solving or productivity, but hey: I don't need to be productive 24 hours a day. I just want something to take the edge off while I play a strategy game or fart around on a game prototype. I NEVER do it during work or when I have to drive. I started smoking weed…

> not funding drug lords. I avoid illegal drugs for this reason. I hate to break it to you... [Edit: it's best if I expand this comment. The people who currently sell "legal" weed whitewashed illegal operations and coordinated it with lawmakers to put them at the top. Chinese, oddly enough, play a big part at this, since we're on an anti-China bend right now it might be useful to know. This whole legal drug thing...…

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Re: A Survey of Programmers' Cannabis Usage, Perception, and Motivation

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Why are you working at 11pm?

Why do you care, and why is it important to the conversation? People work different hours. Some people choose to work those hours.

Because I was curious. Why do you care that I care?

Re: A Survey of Programmers' Cannabis Usage, Perception, and Motivation

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Also ADHD here. I find smoking a little helps significantly with turning off the distractions of Slack, email, reading interesting docs that cross my path. It's much easier to sit down, crank out a coding task, or jump into a deep debugging session. Not something I do often (or even occasionally), but I definitely don't think it's nonsense.

Undiagnosed but suspected ADHD here. With a bit of THC and some electronic music I can bang code out for hours completely in the zone. It's like I build a great mental model on what I'm working on and become very immersed in it. I can't do it too often as managers need their meetings and updates but it's the most "zen" I ever feel.

In my experience, being in any alternative state of mind, whether from caffeine or moderate amounts of alcohol, or even something not substance related- after working out, after a good night's sleep, after a bad night's sleep (the sweet spot is four hours), there is a sensation of productivity benefit, but I hesitate to claim there is actually productivity in every case. I think these altered states of mind help make it emotionally easier to cope with whatever the underlying cause is- possibly ADHD, possibly some variety of anxiety- and thus make it feel easier to work or engage in other difficult tasks. But cognitively? That's a whole different story.

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> Such cannabis usage, however, is in conflict with anti-drug poli- cies currently enacted for many software engineering jobs: 29% of our sample reported they had taken a drug test for a programming- related job, a hiring practice that may limit developer application pools.

What? 29% ... seriously? That's outrageous.

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I think there's a fundamental complexity and skills-required difference between someone writing kernel code or microcode and someone writing a generic CRUD app.

Yeah but do salaries represent that? The biggest mistake I've made in the past 10 years of my life is choosing to focus on low level instead of just chasing the latest and greatest react/rails stuff. Fresh grads with experience only in Java at $FANCY_CO outearn me by a factor of 2.5 because they get on the web/app track. Meanwhile over in embedded I'm writing highly performant const-correct modern asio C++ applicatio…

> Parent comment had the nerve to imply that I'm not even a true programmer.

That wasn't my intention.

> Fresh grads with experience only in Java at $FANCY_CO outearn me by a factor of 2.5 because they get on the web/app track.

1. In fact, my example of "less complex job" was "web dev".

2. Most fresh grads doing web dev make $55K or so. The $FANCY_CO engineers are an outlier. And, FWIW, within those companies, the low-level C++ people tend to make a lot more than the fresh grad web dev people.

Re: A Survey of Programmers' Cannabis Usage, Perception, and Motivation

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I work in government, and I smoke just about every day, all day. From a lifetime of trauma and PTSD, depression, and anxiety, NOTHING has been able to hold a candle next to the mental relief I get from just a little marijuana. It’s not for everyone, and although I’ve abstained many times, for me, it’s been a lifesaver.

Re: A Survey of Programmers' Cannabis Usage, Perception, and Motivation

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I got my three kids desks for christmas. Put them down to bed for the night and smoke a little weed. I was shocked how I couldn’t follow ikea desk instructions. Got frustrated and decided to try again sober. I was super shocked the next day how easy it was to follow when sober.

Drugs significantly alter cognitive processes and perceptions. I know that reads like a duh comment because that's literally why people take them, but it's amazing how frequently drugs users forget that the drugs alter their perceptions of how the drug is impacting their lives. I've fortunately only had a few of my friends succumb to addictions, but it was surreal to watch them remain convinced that the drugs (includ…

Anecdotally, I was a daily cannabis smoker for many years, had to quit about 5 months ago and have noticed persistently decreased focus and productivity since then.

Re: A Survey of Programmers' Cannabis Usage, Perception, and Motivation

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It could be, it's just that I'm yet to see someone fun and intelligent when Iim sober and they are high on cannabis(those who are high think that they are, of course). Slightly drunk people tend to be fun and maybe not exactly more intelligent than the sober but they tend to go out of their comfort zone which enables them to entertain ideas that they normally wouldn't do. There are many stories about how people inven…

> yet to see someone fun and intelligent when Iim sober and they are high on cannabis I've gotta ask: how do you know you haven't yet? Not everyone who is high loves to announce it to the world.

You can usually tell from the smell
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