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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by mensetmanusman »

Wall St. does not care, so these companies can not care. Apple just gave BOE 20% of their OLED business to diversify away from Sanding and LG:

Note that BOE is being propped up by the CCP to the tune of $100M a year in losses over the past decade as economic warfare against SK.

Manufacturing is where today’s wars are being fought because these people know it gives them the power over those that would complain otherwise.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Intel’s supply chain now has components that couldn’t be built without a lot of delays if the CCP snapped their fingers (since they have also funded the conglomeration of specialty materials companies: these new companies are cheap when all you have to do is devalue your currency (is. steal a few dollars from all your citizens)).

Hopefully these conflicts stay entirely in the economic and manufacturing realm, because real war is hell.

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Post by kgran »

eitland wrote: post #207
pjmlp wrote: post #153

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We can start by not buying anything Made In China as much as possible, however I fail to ever see that happening, as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets.

> as most are quick to forget their morals when it hits their wallets. I realized the other day that if I saw a tray of "Made in China" utensils and a comparable tray of "Made in Africa/Europe/USA" utensils of roughly the same quality I'd happily pay a dollar or two extra, no questions asked for the ones that doesn't originate in China these days. I ended up not buying it at all since there was no alternative that wa…

It seems that pure Lithuanian air cans are all sold out. As an alternative, you can buy Lithuanian cow dung in a can here: https://dovanusalis.lt/lietuviskas-karvutes-sudas-skardineje I couldn't see an English translation of the website, so you have to translate things or guess a little to navigate there.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by zelon88 »

TearsInTheRain wrote: post #248
zelon88 wrote: post #241

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That's not going to do anything. In modern day, American companies have more to gain in China than they have to lose in the USA. The market they are chasing is 3 times larger than the US and the only "regulation" in sight is basically bribing local government. Don't be surprised if the companies you boycott simply move operations to China and cut ties with the US. China devalues its domestic currency on purpose so th…

3x larger in people is not 3x larger in wealth. I think US and China are comparable in that regard. And I dont know if the opportunity going forward is so incredible given China's debt levels and impending population bust.

You don't understand.

China is in debt because the government wants to be in debt. They have to be to have population control. If there were no debt their population would have already busted.

The oligarchs who rule China don't use Chinese currency. So they are not impacted by debt levels. China also doesn't promote their currency internationally as a means of keeping domestic purchasing power low.

If you threaten China they will reverse these decisions and actually try to compete for quality of life. That's where western civilization as we know it ends. That's where the American empire falls and the Chinese empire rises.

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Post by joshuajill »

andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

Oh just because the government is hostile. So if the government is "friendly" we can safely keep exploiting the workers? That pretty much describes how the US is going.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by g8oz »

kwere wrote: post #220
viktorcode wrote: post #56

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sinocentrism is the belief in wich han culture is seen as superior and others need to assimilite or "go away". its a thousand old practice. most people seem compliacent with this view supported by the government. 92% of china is han and 56 minorities take the other 8%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinocentrism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_nationalism

There has been pushback against Han supremacy in the past, sad to see those efforts have been forgotten in today's China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Races_Under_One_Union

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Post by Fnoord »

dnautics wrote: post #183
smhenderson wrote: post #169

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It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I'm older and don't need a lot beyond the food and shelter I work for, I have plenty of "stuff". But buying clothing, gifts, electronics, well, the list is long and I won't try to cover everything here, that doesn't have at least part of it's assembly provided by China is not easy to avoid. It's not just people's wa…

> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

Fairphone have an analysis on their complete supply chain, of every component. Lots come from China, but more interesting: components of components have a source too, raw materials too, as does travel.

An example of the latter, Fairphone used trains to move the assembled smartphones to EU. Those trains moved from China through Russia, dven during and after Crimea conflict and MH17 disaster.

Its a shame I don't have a link handy to their supply chain infographic. It is so detailed, includes all corporations and locations, that it would warrant a HN submission within its own. OTOH, they yet have to make it for their recent product, FP4.

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Post by ncmncm »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #216
dnautics wrote: post #183

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> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

"Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that will probably break after a few runs" I did this for a while but a lot of US manufacturers seem to like producing low quality items for a high price under the label "Made in USA".

"Made in USA" is often code for "made with prison labor". Louisiana is said to make a point of incarcerating particularly black citizens on made-up charges and excessive sentencing to maintain a ready prison labor pool.

So, it is probably important to verify that such products are not from prison labor.

China has is rightly criticized for unjustified incarceration, particularly in Xinjiang, but the US incarcerates many more on largely similar pretexts, which amounts to a much larger fraction of its population. Reducing US incarceration rate is a moral imperative.

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Post by kbelder »

chang1 wrote: post #202
dnautics wrote: post #183

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> It's also become increasingly difficult, and in some cases nigh impossible, to avoid items from China. I have the opposite experience. I find it's becoming increasingly easy. I'm finding myself surprised that most things aren't made in china. So far the only thing I haven't been able to get was a waffle maker -- I can do without! Or I should just actually get a $300 waffle maker instead of something stupid that wil…

I picked up USA made waffle iron from C. Palmer Manufacturing. It's super basic and almost 2-3x more expensive than the first few results on Amazon, but it's great! ( https://cpalmermfg.com/waffle-irons.html ) Hope that helps with your waffle making.

It's two days before Christmas! Why couldn't I have seen that link three weeks ago?

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Post by splitstud »

yorwba wrote: post #54
FooBarWidget wrote: post #18

It's interesting to see that people on both sides are angry -- for different reasons. People on western Internet are angry at Intel for having issued an apology. People on Chinese Internet are angry because they view it as a non-apology, i.e. Intel still goes ahead with the ban. I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel.

Personally, I'm most angry that Intel refuses to properly audit their suppliers. They're not actually banned from importing goods from Xinjiang if they can prove that they weren't made with forced labor. If they could prove that, the US government should be happy (because their stated goal of combating forced labor is respected) and Chinese people should be happy, too (better working conditions). Merely restricting s…

Why would I ever import from a supplier whose only positive is price, if I have to go to extra effort and expense - making them no longer competitive in any respect?

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Post by splitstud »

rg111 wrote: post #17

China has got a massive consumer market, an unmatched manufacturing ecosystem with zero labor disputes among other things, minerals, arguably the most stable (in terms of violence, unrest, strikes, etc.) regions in the world, and more. They have got anyone by their balls who remotely wants to sell anything in China. John Cena (famous wrestler, entertainer) recently apologized to Chinese people after calling Taiwan a…

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