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Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by aidenn0 »

rileymat2 wrote: post #76
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, the linear no threshold theory of radiation. If background radiation is everywhere , how can there be no safe dose . It’s a fun analogy, but reinforces an incorrect assumption.

Can’t it be like playing Russian roulette with a gun that has billions of chambers? The gun is always unsafe, but you will probably be fine? The higher the level, the more full chambers?

That's also the linear no threshold model.

The risk of dying increases linearly with the number of bullets you load.

A different model suggests that very low levels are either benign or even helpful.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by [deleted] »

kryogen1c wrote: post #64
ryandrake wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember someone here putting it this way: treat user data like uranium, not oil. Both are valuable, but you don’t want to just collect and store an unlimited amount of uranium. Collect the bare minimum user data you need to operate your business and then dispose of it when it’s no longer needed.

neat, this analogy travels pretty far - user data is radioactive. theres a background amount of radiation. its everywhere, even in higher amounts than youd expect like bananas and airplanes. no amount is safe, but the risks are neglibly small when exposure is minimized. concentrated amounts can be safe when exposure is controlled and managed with oversight programs in place. disasters can be managed with disaster pro…

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Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by stackbutterflow »

jacquesm wrote: post #16

The sooner companies start to realize that personal data is a liability rather than an asset the better. Happy to see this fine, but as far as I'm concerned given the kind of data we're talking about here it should have been higher.

What if half of the fine was given to the user(s)?

That way users would have an incentive to sue companies (i.e get rich quick). That way personal data would really have to be considered a liability if companies don't want to start giving millions to their users left and right.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by kryogen1c »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #69
kryogen1c wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

neat, this analogy travels pretty far - user data is radioactive. theres a background amount of radiation. its everywhere, even in higher amounts than youd expect like bananas and airplanes. no amount is safe, but the risks are neglibly small when exposure is minimized. concentrated amounts can be safe when exposure is controlled and managed with oversight programs in place. disasters can be managed with disaster pro…

Ah, the linear no threshold theory of radiation. If background radiation is everywhere , how can there be no safe dose . It’s a fun analogy, but reinforces an incorrect assumption.

> Ah, the linear no threshold theory of radiation.

i wasnt aware this was contested. its what i was taught in the us nuclear navy.

> If background radiation is everywhere, how can there be no safe dose.

this is not a self-evident refutation and is a bad argument. cancer is the 2nd leading cause of death in the US, meaning there is an even higher nonlethal occurance of cancer. this is not all radiations doing, but its hardly obvious that bathing in radiation your whole life is a "safe dose"

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by netizen-936824 »

charcircuit wrote: post #48
michaelbuckbee wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel that "just the way they like" is honestly a pretty low bar to clear and in general are common sense and respectful things that you should be doing with user data in the first place. - Tell people up front what you will do with their data - Let them opt out - Track what services your own service uses (Ex: your website -> google analytics) - If people want to know what data you have about them tell them - If peo…

>common sense and respectful things that you should be doing with user data in the first place It's disrespectful to be nosey into what people are doing or to give them orders on what they can or can't do. >So beyond just "handling data" Grindr was getting paid (ads) for sharing your data to companies that could then also turn around and do whatever they wanted with that data. Good on them. They figured out a way to…

>It's disrespectful to be nosey into what people are doing

>Good on them. They figured out a way to make money using information that they collected.

These two statements don't jive. Its disrespectful to be nosey, but its fine if people buy data and be nosey into other peoples lives? That's quite absurd

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by kristopolous »

tmarice wrote: post #82

Grindr is incorporated in the US, I'm not sure how they plan to enforce this fine.

IANAL but the lawyers I've worked with have said unpaid violations lead to cutting off business relations until fines are satisfied.

I'm sure it's more complicated but the general idea is economic coercion.

Now given that, the class of proximity based apps are all regional (such as dating, dog walking, delivery, etc).

I have no idea if Grindr has a market penetration in Europe to make it worthwhile. Companies have been known to completely vacate markets instead of honor fines or fees.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by joshklein »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #69
kryogen1c wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

neat, this analogy travels pretty far - user data is radioactive. theres a background amount of radiation. its everywhere, even in higher amounts than youd expect like bananas and airplanes. no amount is safe, but the risks are neglibly small when exposure is minimized. concentrated amounts can be safe when exposure is controlled and managed with oversight programs in place. disasters can be managed with disaster pro…

Ah, the linear no threshold theory of radiation. If background radiation is everywhere , how can there be no safe dose . It’s a fun analogy, but reinforces an incorrect assumption.

The reason there is no safe dose is because even background levels of radiation will cause eventual health consequences, just not before another cause of death.

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by xwolfi »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #69
kryogen1c wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

neat, this analogy travels pretty far - user data is radioactive. theres a background amount of radiation. its everywhere, even in higher amounts than youd expect like bananas and airplanes. no amount is safe, but the risks are neglibly small when exposure is minimized. concentrated amounts can be safe when exposure is controlled and managed with oversight programs in place. disasters can be managed with disaster pro…

Ah, the linear no threshold theory of radiation. If background radiation is everywhere , how can there be no safe dose . It’s a fun analogy, but reinforces an incorrect assumption.

Well depend what safe means. Maybe we d spend less energy in copy redundancy at the cellular level if werent bombarded non stop ?

Re: Grindr €6.5M fined for not collecting users’ valid consent for sharing data

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Post by Terry_Roll »

ryandrake wrote: post #20
jacquesm wrote: post #16

The sooner companies start to realize that personal data is a liability rather than an asset the better. Happy to see this fine, but as far as I'm concerned given the kind of data we're talking about here it should have been higher.

I remember someone here putting it this way: treat user data like uranium, not oil. Both are valuable, but you don’t want to just collect and store an unlimited amount of uranium. Collect the bare minimum user data you need to operate your business and then dispose of it when it’s no longer needed.

You can collect as much data as you like, its what you do with it that counts.
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