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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by zivkovicp »

nix23 wrote: post #100
_red wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>China Its not totally fair to put this all on Chinese manipulation. Western politicians and many "tech elite" all love the concept of CCP-style 'social credit systems' being instituted. This is ultimately what vaxpass is all about.

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How so? Even if the intent of such programs might be positive, is there not a risk of them being used to limit, coerce, or change user behaviour? (it wouldn't be the first time)

Why is this such an offensive statement?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

cnlevy wrote: post #96
zohch wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

cancel culture doesn't originate in China. It's an evolution of the western idea of equality and individualism taken to an extreme

Cancel culture isn't that either. Cancel culture is a rebranding of 'shunning', which I bet predates humans as we know them. I bet our social monkey predecessors had such tactics figured out.

Read this and tell me it isn't 'cancel culture': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Overview

Bonus: 'shadow-banning' is stealth shunning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Stealth_shunning

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by iszomer »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #101
iszomer wrote: post #86

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Ever bought something you believed was Made in Japan but found out later it was actually Made in China ?

I don’t think inanimate objects can influence a person’s mind. However media can, especially when you see the same idea repeated everywhere.

It can when materialistic quality is a factor in purchasing decisions. For example, I recently had to buy a new rice cooker and based on my prior experiences of owning both Japanese and Chinese brands; the former outlasted the latter by thirty years. Just because it was cheap and easily sourceable doesn't discount expected quality assurances.

I'm not saying this applies to all Chinese made products but something I keep in mind for all future purchases.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by limoce »

chloerei wrote: post #59

As a Chinese, I think the logic of certain Western countries is ridiculous. Because Xinjiang’s human rights situation is considered to be problematic, so Xinjiang’s companies are banned. As an analogy, can I think that the human rights situation of African Americans is terrible, so I need to ban companies that employ African Americans? These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they…

There's a huge gap on the opinions of Xinjiang between the Chinese side and the Western side. Don't put your words for Chinese side on HN because no one would vote for you and your comment will be eventually grayed out.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by enkid »

andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

Don't many of these companies still do final assembly in China? Foxconn is notorious for it's labor practices in China, but is a Taiwanese company. How can someone separate Chinese assembly from the rest of the product?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by azangru »

BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #113
cnlevy wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cancel culture doesn't originate in China. It's an evolution of the western idea of equality and individualism taken to an extreme

Cancel culture isn't that either. Cancel culture is a rebranding of 'shunning', which I bet predates humans as we know them. I bet our social monkey predecessors had such tactics figured out. Read this and tell me it isn't 'cancel culture': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Overview Bonus: 'shadow-banning' is stealth shunning: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunning#Stealth_shunning

It's probably a combination of the two. Letting the monkey instincts run wild while covering them with modern fanciful words :-)

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

xwolfi wrote: post #29
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

If we can't employ Xinjian people anymore, what do you propose we do with them ?

"Do with them"? That's a truly chilling way to speak of people.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by jfax »

chloerei wrote: post #59

As a Chinese, I think the logic of certain Western countries is ridiculous. Because Xinjiang’s human rights situation is considered to be problematic, so Xinjiang’s companies are banned. As an analogy, can I think that the human rights situation of African Americans is terrible, so I need to ban companies that employ African Americans? These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
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