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Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by zthrowaway »

InsomniacL wrote: post #117
leokennis wrote: post #115

On the same subject, I only recently came to know that "Kraamzorg" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraamzorg ) is not or hardly offered in other countries. When you become parents (whether that is for the first or the nth time), a specialized nurse will visit your home for 24-80 hours spread over multiple days to help with anything required. If it's your first, she/he will mainly focus on teaching (how to bathe a bab…

Apparently in America it can cost tens of thousands of dollars to give birth in a hospital. Also, 'skin-on-skin' contact after giving birth is a chargeable extra. We don't know how fortunate we are here in the UK with the NHS.

> Also, 'skin-on-skin' contact after giving birth is a chargeable extra.

Just had a kid in the US, not true. I’m curious to see where you learned this from, it seems hyperbolic.

Also, it cost me $2k after all was said and done.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by spurtrenolds »

test1235 wrote: post #104
shifty1 wrote: post #95

Scotland also has a very similar baby box, introduced a few years ago due to the success of the Finnish one. https://www.mygov.scot/baby-box Content of the box: https://www.parentclub.scot/baby-box Study on impact of the box: https://www.gov.scot/publications/baby-box-evaluation/pages/...

We got a one of these in Scotland, and I have to say a few years on, we're only just getting rid of the last of the items. Some items were arguably more useful than others (but I think the inventory is reviewed and updated constantly) - we never used the baby box as intended and it could be argued that we never really needed the support, but I can't understand the people who would argue against such an initiative. Pe…

> People in this country were up in arms when this was first suggested ...

Very strongly disagree with this.

Yes there was some grumbling from the usual attention seeking (read 'shit-stirring') pundits in the right wing media, but to suggest the country was up in arms is simply false. The plan was rather welcomed, the only concerns being how best it fit it in with other NHS natal treatment.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

leokennis wrote: post #115

On the same subject, I only recently came to know that "Kraamzorg" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraamzorg ) is not or hardly offered in other countries. When you become parents (whether that is for the first or the nth time), a specialized nurse will visit your home for 24-80 hours spread over multiple days to help with anything required. If it's your first, she/he will mainly focus on teaching (how to bathe a bab…

It's divided into two parts in Denmark, After birth of the first child, you're offered to stay at the hospital for a few days (unspecified duration, depending on issues being faced) to get help with getting breastfeeding going, diapers, and monitoring the babys health.

After you get home, a nurse will schedule regular (weekly at first, then gradually longer between) visits to weigh/measure the child and record if the baby appears to be developing correctly, and provide advice in matters concerning childcare. This goes on for the first year.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by ix101 »

zthrowaway wrote: post #131
InsomniacL wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently in America it can cost tens of thousands of dollars to give birth in a hospital. Also, 'skin-on-skin' contact after giving birth is a chargeable extra. We don't know how fortunate we are here in the UK with the NHS.

> Also, 'skin-on-skin' contact after giving birth is a chargeable extra. Just had a kid in the US, not true. I’m curious to see where you learned this from, it seems hyperbolic. Also, it cost me $2k after all was said and done.

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-37555048

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by [deleted] »

zthrowaway wrote: post #131
InsomniacL wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently in America it can cost tens of thousands of dollars to give birth in a hospital. Also, 'skin-on-skin' contact after giving birth is a chargeable extra. We don't know how fortunate we are here in the UK with the NHS.

> Also, 'skin-on-skin' contact after giving birth is a chargeable extra. Just had a kid in the US, not true. I’m curious to see where you learned this from, it seems hyperbolic. Also, it cost me $2k after all was said and done.

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Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by onion2k »

fsloth wrote: post #113
xxs wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you define rich: currently Finland has higher GDP per capita than Germany, France and the UK... and well Norway is well ahead of the most West Europe (lots to do with the oil but still).

For example, Finland has very low amount of capital. GDP is the revenue stream. Amount of capital reflects actual wealth and potential for return of investments.

If you use 'national capital' as a measure then Norway is by far the richest country. It's sovereign wealth fund has more than 1.3 trillion dollars, and owns "about a 1.4% stake in all the world’s public listed companies."[1]

I don't think many Norwegians would say they feel like they're the richest people on Earth though.

EDIT: According to Wikipedia the wealth fund is worth 2.3 trillion now. That's for a country with a population of 5 million people.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/palashghosh/2021/04/07/norways-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_sovereign...

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by noodlesUK »

leokennis wrote: post #115

On the same subject, I only recently came to know that "Kraamzorg" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraamzorg ) is not or hardly offered in other countries. When you become parents (whether that is for the first or the nth time), a specialized nurse will visit your home for 24-80 hours spread over multiple days to help with anything required. If it's your first, she/he will mainly focus on teaching (how to bathe a bab…

I would not exist if my mother had been in the US or another location with private healthcare when she was pregnant with me. She had a tough pregnancy and had to take a significant amount of time off work and was on bedrest for approximately 3 months. During those ~3 months, she had a medical professional come to her home every day (her midwife and doctor alternated days). This would simply not be possible if healthcare were not free at the point of care as it is in the UK and many other countries. I don’t know much about the postnatal care, and I know things have gotten worse in the UK over the past decades, but I’m eternally grateful to the prenatal care that the NHS provided.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by stevehawk »

divbzero wrote: post #105

Finnbin [1] is a company that sold Finnish style baby boxes in the US up until July 2021. Oddly enough, they appear to have suspended operations due to a US Consumer Product Safety Commission ruling that effectively bans baby boxes. [1]: https://www.finnbin.com/ [2]: https://www.finnbin.com/blogs/news/finnbin-suspends-operatio...

It appears that the CPSC in the US has decided that it's safer for babies to sleep in objects that can be tipped over (must have legs) than in a box on the ground.

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by systemBuilder »

divbzero wrote: post #105

Finnbin [1] is a company that sold Finnish style baby boxes in the US up until July 2021. Oddly enough, they appear to have suspended operations due to a US Consumer Product Safety Commission ruling that effectively bans baby boxes. [1]: https://www.finnbin.com/ [2]: https://www.finnbin.com/blogs/news/finnbin-suspends-operatio...

CPSC has always been a way to get your chief competitor's products banned! Good old fashioned American corruption!

Re: Why Finnish babies sleep in cardboard boxes (2013)

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Post by systemBuilder »

If I am reading the graph of infant mortality in Finland correctly their rate is 2 per thousand children and the USA rate is 6deaths per 1000! Maybe we should write to Biden and get cpsc crooked rules revoked and start giving out baby boxes?

Medical Xpress: U.S. infant mortality reached historic low in 2019. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-infant-mortality-hist...

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