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Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

netrus wrote: post #21
garaetjjte wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're consenting by posting it on public internet in the first place.

Do you think most people who post publicly on the internet would agree if asked? I think most people would like to have a choice to make old stuff disappear. If most people think so, THAT should be the rule. You might not like that and argue that there is no way to enforce it, but that does not mean it is a good rule to assume consent.

How about this? Archives will still exist regardless of consent. Does that makes them digital rapists?

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Post by luckylion »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #20
kodah wrote: post #3

Personally, I think eternally archiving everything and infinitely available public data has been not-so-great. If this was an "archive with consent" sort of system, then sure. My response may be better summarized as, "Does IA support robots.txt, and if not why?"

There are clearly some things we, and the author, wants to persist, and yet the internet fails to do so. Trying to muddle in privacy concerns with the accumulation of public knowledge undermines the whole concept of a shared society, or there being even the potential of accumulating "progress" in the first place. Also, historically speaking, people with means used to save their letters for posterity, which proved to…

"You shouldn't have privacy because it undermines the concept of a shared society, and also future historians might find your life interesting."

Thanks.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Post by jayd16 »

a-dub wrote: post #18

it sounds like he wants to be able to archive and respinup/run things like mmoprg game servers as easily as static content can be archived and served today. that would be a huge and expensive paradigm shift for internet service backends that traditionally have been only designed to be run by one entity and typically are a mix of custom, open source and proprietary software that is run in a specific way. i suppose it…

Well there's other static things like FAQs, news feeds, even hosted game content that a game might rely on. It's not just dynamic services. I think Carmack is referring to that.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Post by ketzo »

ineedasername wrote: post #55

I don't understand why Carmack thinks blockchain should be a component of this. Anyone care to elaborate on how that would make this easier/better?

"Immutable and existing in perpetuity" are good qualities for an archive service, and that's at least the idea with a blockchain.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Post by adventured »

simonw wrote: post #9

The feature I most want from the Internet Archive is the ability to donate them an old domain name and enough cash to renew it for the next hundred years such that they can keep an archived version of a site available (without breaking any incoming links) for a very long time. They would also need to be able to handle legal administration costs of things like DMCA take-down notices, but I assume they already have to…

> The feature I most want from the Internet Archive

The feature I most want from IA is a streamlined system to delete content they have archived on domains that I own, including a proper privacy law compliance effort on their part. They have intentionally made it a difficult, manual process to get content removed. They operate as a de facto malicious crawler.

They massively violate GDPR with how they operate and few seem to care about that fact, including all the commenters on HN (which universally give them a free pass on being malicious and violating GDPR very aggressively).

When IA has to comply with laws like GDPR, that's the end of IA.

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Post by gls2ro »

ineedasername wrote: post #55

I don't understand why Carmack thinks blockchain should be a component of this. Anyone care to elaborate on how that would make this easier/better?

I dont know why he suggest this but while I would like to read some old content that now cannot be found I am also respectful for people that dont want their content on the internet anymore.

So every time someone suggest to put some content on a blockchain I wonder if they realize that there are people that want to erase/remove their content from the internet. I also think it is dangerous to keep everything someone or some company created on the internet. It is too easy now to internet judge some adult about things they did while being young or to keep people accounted for mistakes they did and paid for them their duties to society.

I think if we ever build this feature on a blockchain I hope it is opt-in and people realize what that mean.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Post by fs111 »

ricardobayes wrote: post #57
ineedasername wrote: post #55

I don't understand why Carmack thinks blockchain should be a component of this. Anyone care to elaborate on how that would make this easier/better?

Similarly how github is a blockchain. I think he means the ease of version control by this.

Github is a software development tooling provider, not a blockchain

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Post by Ericson2314 »

kodah wrote: post #32
Ericson2314 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are clearly some things we, and the author, wants to persist, and yet the internet fails to do so. Trying to muddle in privacy concerns with the accumulation of public knowledge undermines the whole concept of a shared society, or there being even the potential of accumulating "progress" in the first place. Also, historically speaking, people with means used to save their letters for posterity, which proved to…

> Also, historically speaking, people with means used to save their letters for posterity, which proved to be a very valuable resource for future academics Your example is an example of choice or consent. They also had the option to burn their hand written books and scrolls down periodically. Systems like IA take that choice away.

There is no reason to do person communication with staticish websites. Don't foist the problems of social media onto the Internet Archive.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Post by rmbyrro »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #39
simonw wrote: post #9

The feature I most want from the Internet Archive is the ability to donate them an old domain name and enough cash to renew it for the next hundred years such that they can keep an archived version of a site available (without breaking any incoming links) for a very long time. They would also need to be able to handle legal administration costs of things like DMCA take-down notices, but I assume they already have to…

It costs the Internet Archive $2/GB to host content in perpetuity. They have a tool, Archive It, that will periodically crawl your site for archival purposes if you are not technical. For my needs, I run a report monthly for the content I’ve archived using my IA account to determine archived GBs, and then donate the amount needed to cover those costs. Consider reaching out to their patron services email address with…

$2/GB in perpetuity is really cheap. They should write a paper about how they did it, if they haven't already.

Edit: I'm assuming they can deliver reliability and durability similar to modern cloud standards, like AWS S3.

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