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Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this problem the ideal use case for projects like IPFS? Anyone interested to preserve the content can join as a node to balance the load, right? And if so, why don't we see widespread adoption?

IPFS only does addressability, it doesn't provide storage. You could use a decentralized storage network like Arweave, Filecoin, or Sia. https://www.arweave.org/ https://www.filecoin.com/ http://sia.tech/

Or "centralized" ones like Fleek, Textile, Pinata, etc.

https://fleek.co/hosting/

https://docs.textile.io/buckets/

https://www.pinata.cloud/

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

#52
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're consenting by posting it on public internet in the first place.

Posting something on the public internet is not consent for you to scrape it and post it on your own site forever. And requiring an explicit opt-in would basically mean no IA. To be clear, the IA is a positive, maybe even a great one. But it skirts by because most people don't care. (They did as you say post whatever on the public internet.) Add the facts that they're a non-profit, aren't trying to monetize their hos…

People have recorded others without their consent for millennia. Whether it's telling a story about what someone said, a photo, or now a screenshot of a twitter post, that is reality. You'll never be able to stop someone from telling another that you said X.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

#53
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The feature I most want from the Internet Archive is the ability to donate them an old domain name and enough cash to renew it for the next hundred years such that they can keep an archived version of a site available (without breaking any incoming links) for a very long time. They would also need to be able to handle legal administration costs of things like DMCA take-down notices, but I assume they already have to…

It costs the Internet Archive $2/GB to host content in perpetuity. They have a tool, Archive It, that will periodically crawl your site for archival purposes if you are not technical. For my needs, I run a report monthly for the content I’ve archived using my IA account to determine archived GBs, and then donate the amount needed to cover those costs. Consider reaching out to their patron services email address with…

Is that $/GB per year?

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

#54
Interesting use cases for IA is to go back to early days of when a startup first launched to see their pitch before they raised real money and added tons of nonsensical bs to their homepage.

eg.

http://web.archive.org/web/20180901110658/https://www.snowfl...

http://web.archive.org/web/20140701061721/https://databricks...

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

#56
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're consenting by posting it on public internet in the first place.

Posting something on the public internet is not consent for you to scrape it and post it on your own site forever. And requiring an explicit opt-in would basically mean no IA. To be clear, the IA is a positive, maybe even a great one. But it skirts by because most people don't care. (They did as you say post whatever on the public internet.) Add the facts that they're a non-profit, aren't trying to monetize their hos…

It can be. The reason libraries and other archives have special rights is because they fought for them against the express wishes of people who sold paper. There are no arguments made against archive.org that weren't also made against libraries.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

#57

I don't understand why Carmack thinks blockchain should be a component of this. Anyone care to elaborate on how that would make this easier/better?

Similarly how github is a blockchain. I think he means the ease of version control by this.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It costs the Internet Archive $2/GB to host content in perpetuity. They have a tool, Archive It, that will periodically crawl your site for archival purposes if you are not technical. For my needs, I run a report monthly for the content I’ve archived using my IA account to determine archived GBs, and then donate the amount needed to cover those costs. Consider reaching out to their patron services email address with…

Is that $/GB per year?

Last I read, that was one time [1]. Of course if you have the means, consider a bit more per GB.

[1] https://help.archive.org/hc/en-us/articles/360014755952-Arch...

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

#59

I don't understand why Carmack thinks blockchain should be a component of this. Anyone care to elaborate on how that would make this easier/better?

I think he's referring to something like IPFS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterPlanetary_File_System

http://ipfs.io

You can put the storage costs on the nodes because storage at archive.org's scale adds up, especially when it's run by volunteers.

Re: Internet Archive as a default host-of-record for startups

#60
I wrote a little about this and the alternatives here, especially for sites with user-generated content which may be impossible to find/regenerate from elsewhere.

I call it “Beating the Samson Option”, of pulling the temple down upon your head.

https://blog.eutopian.io/beating-the-samson-option/

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