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Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by ransom1538 »

betaby wrote: post #38
ransom1538 wrote: post #29

It is called "wire fraud" a federal crime. The US has a ridiculous punishment for it [1]. Wire fraud is the favorite of the feds since it is loosely defined and easy to prosecute. Feds also use this law to get people to turn on others due to it's extreme punishments (you will sing). If you sign anything stating this is your only job - don't do this. (1) that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally devised or part…

How that works for folks with CXX titles? Whey often 'sit' in multiple boards. Also recently I was re-checking my contract, and there is nothing said there 'only job', I think that would be illegal to put in a contract.

All you need to do is be open. Do not lie for money on the internet or mail. State you work for other companies, state you are on other boards, etc. When you lie to people for money is where things go really bad (at least in the US).

(wire/mail fraud 941. 18 U.S.C. 1343).

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by scottiebarnes »

duxup wrote: post #40
Untit1ed wrote: post #27

I see a lot of people talking about reputational risk around this, but I'd be more worried about the legal implications. Most of us have contracts that grant IP of what we create to our employer at least during work hours - if you get caught doing this how do the IP implications unwind given that both your employers have the same rights to what you produced? Would it be legally equivalent to selling a bunch of IP tha…

I had a coworker try to pull the two remote jobs at once thing. Thinking a customer was calling he answered the wrong phone and said the wrong company name, but it was actually his bosses boss. Company fired him, and actually went so far as to threaten to sue the guy until he agreed to pay restitution (one year pay), and they told the other company who fired him. I don’t know if the other company did anything else. D…

If the companies that hired him are satisfied with his work (quality, time delivery) and can't even tell the difference on their own, is he really doing them wrong?

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by 8note »

scottiebarnes wrote: post #42
duxup wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a coworker try to pull the two remote jobs at once thing. Thinking a customer was calling he answered the wrong phone and said the wrong company name, but it was actually his bosses boss. Company fired him, and actually went so far as to threaten to sue the guy until he agreed to pay restitution (one year pay), and they told the other company who fired him. I don’t know if the other company did anything else. D…

If the companies that hired him are satisfied with his work (quality, time delivery) and can't even tell the difference on their own, is he really doing them wrong?

Clearly they could tell; he told customers from one company to go to the other

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by celestialcheese »

scottiebarnes wrote: post #42
duxup wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a coworker try to pull the two remote jobs at once thing. Thinking a customer was calling he answered the wrong phone and said the wrong company name, but it was actually his bosses boss. Company fired him, and actually went so far as to threaten to sue the guy until he agreed to pay restitution (one year pay), and they told the other company who fired him. I don’t know if the other company did anything else. D…

If the companies that hired him are satisfied with his work (quality, time delivery) and can't even tell the difference on their own, is he really doing them wrong?

Yes, assuming he signed an employment contract that disallowed this type of thing, which is very very common.

If you want your contracts to have value, you have to defend them. If you're made aware of behaviour and do nothing to solve it, that's implicitly encouraging the behaviour

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by tehjoker »

Flankk wrote: post #6
toomanyrichies wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my biggest reservation about doing this. I feel like the possibility of one finding out about the other would weigh on me pretty heavily. Not that I think it's unethical, mind you. I'd just be stressed about the worst-case scenario and the impact it would have on my career. Would love the double income though, not gonna lie.

Of course it's unethical, it's time theft. It requires you to be dishonest. You can make money as a con artist in many ways, this is just one of them. You can lie about your qualifications and experience too. If your only reservation with being dishonest is the possibility you might get caught, I think that says a lot about you as a person.

Profit comes from theft of your time.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by duxup »

scottiebarnes wrote: post #42
duxup wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a coworker try to pull the two remote jobs at once thing. Thinking a customer was calling he answered the wrong phone and said the wrong company name, but it was actually his bosses boss. Company fired him, and actually went so far as to threaten to sue the guy until he agreed to pay restitution (one year pay), and they told the other company who fired him. I don’t know if the other company did anything else. D…

If the companies that hired him are satisfied with his work (quality, time delivery) and can't even tell the difference on their own, is he really doing them wrong?

In this case the company I worked for wasn’t happy, but dude was adept at moving around to avoid responsibility / not be there when the chickens came home to roost.

But other people had complained / concerns so in this case there were already issues, even if tentative.

The phone incident was more of an “ah ha” moment for the company.

As far as a developer goes I think in some instances it takes a long time to really gauge how someone is doing, more so if they are dishonest.

Yeah think we all want to be in situations where we tell our employers “it’s going to take X time” and “hit some technical hurdles will take longer” and they believe is, and I think many employers want that too…but that has risks as far as those who will abuse that trust.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by nojito »

betaby wrote: post #38
ransom1538 wrote: post #29

It is called "wire fraud" a federal crime. The US has a ridiculous punishment for it [1]. Wire fraud is the favorite of the feds since it is loosely defined and easy to prosecute. Feds also use this law to get people to turn on others due to it's extreme punishments (you will sing). If you sign anything stating this is your only job - don't do this. (1) that the defendant voluntarily and intentionally devised or part…

How that works for folks with CXX titles? Whey often 'sit' in multiple boards. Also recently I was re-checking my contract, and there is nothing said there 'only job', I think that would be illegal to put in a contract.

Sitting on a board isn’t a job. It’s an advisory role that needs to be cleared by both the board your sitting on and your main company’s board.

And almost all contracts include a conflict of interest section. Perhaps a lowly startup might not.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by temp8964 »

epicureanideal wrote: post #39

This can only work at extremely dysfunctional companies with incompetent management. I suppose there's an opportunity here for some unethical people to get some money from those companies until they collapse. In any reasonably well-run company these people would be fired quickly. Gordon Gecko might say these people are performing service to the public by helping poorly managed companies go bankrupt faster, but it's s…

> This can only work at extremely dysfunctional companies with incompetent management.

Not really. There are many job positions require tons of institutional knowledge of the data system and the code base, but does not require lots of everyday work. And some of the jobs are seasonable. A senior worker can really do tons of outside jobs.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by betaby »

ransom1538 wrote: post #41
betaby wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How that works for folks with CXX titles? Whey often 'sit' in multiple boards. Also recently I was re-checking my contract, and there is nothing said there 'only job', I think that would be illegal to put in a contract.

All you need to do is be open. Do not lie for money on the internet or mail. State you work for other companies, state you are on other boards, etc. When you lie to people for money is where things go really bad (at least in the US). (wire/mail fraud 941. 18 U.S.C. 1343).

Why one should disclose that? And how and why that's fraud? Do people in US disclose things like 'I flip burgers during the day' - 35 hours/week and also 'work as an office cleaner on weekends and evenings' - another 35 hours/week. Technically those are two times full employments. I'm not from US and may lack some details how it works there. My example above it not theoretical I know person who works like that,non-US location.

Re: Overemployed – Work Two Remote Jobs

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Post by duxup »

darepublic wrote: post #18
toomanyrichies wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's my biggest reservation about doing this. I feel like the possibility of one finding out about the other would weigh on me pretty heavily. Not that I think it's unethical, mind you. I'd just be stressed about the worst-case scenario and the impact it would have on my career. Would love the double income though, not gonna lie.

You can always outsource parts of the job too

Nothing worse than other people’s code… or my code I forgot… or worst of all other people’s code that is supposed to be my code that I have no hope of remembering…
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