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You'd have to explain to the police why a device that's designed for tracking things being placed on your car is a serious issue?
Personal experience of explaining to a police officer how I was able to track down a friend's stolen smartphone. Edit: it was in Paris, France.
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Not to disagree with your overall point, but on #2 magnets work well for this and there are a lot of “hide-a-key” type things on the market that are often used in wheel wells by people who have a history of locking their keys in their car.
Good point, but may I add 5) AirTags are a very expensive way of stalking someone. Surely, there may be some creeps willing to put up this sort of money. But some random guy who sees her on a night out and who happens to have an AirTag with attached magnet with him? And if that was indeed the case, wouldn’t there be some pretext to this, like someone hitting on her that night and she turned him away? She doesn’t ment…
So the potential thief/stalker is using a cellular handset that can identify them on an account that can identify them to use a $25 tracker that can identify them. Or, they've stolen someone else's phone, assumed that person won't trigger the lost phone kill-switch in time for them to complete whatever task they've set out for themselves, paired a tag to the stolen phone (which I believe requires the account password and phone passcode to do, but it's been a while since I've done it), and then tracked the victim. It seems like a massive risk compared to buying a plain GPS tracker & pre-paid SIM, but then again, criminals don't tend to be the smartest.
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3 days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqiQiKN284 I see: https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/apple-airtag-tips Not so good for Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.trac...
What’s your point? AirTags don’t require the U1 chip. It is required for precision finding. Seems like I’m entertaining a bad faith argument.
Some people might brush notifications - either be 3 days as the reporter suggested (self tag) or right away as OP (stranger's tag)
Just a hypothesis, but Apple has a history of doing this as seen in 1,2,3 above. Its PR is genius, always spinning the narrative.
#3 update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l3f1KrMQeo
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Because you’re not guaranteed to find one you’re looking for. If you do a little work up front you get much better odds. I can think of other reasons: You can target more vulnerable people (someone you know isn’t likely to come out and confront you). And, you can observe the usage pattern of the car. For example: you might notice that the victim works nights on Fridays and leaves their car in a more vulnerable locati…
I don’t think this is gone in 60 seconds, man. People aren’t out here trying to steal $1 mil collector cars on the regular. They steal cheap ass Honda civics and what not because they’re easy to steal. Thieves steal easy to steal things. This is why the AirTag thing doesn’t make sense for tracking a car you’re planning to steal. They’d just steal it on first sight. Otherwise, they’re out like $25+ if that car drives…
You're talking about joy riders. The rest of us are talking about more sophisticated operations. Besides, your logic doesn't follow: Because most thefts are of vehicle X, there are no thefts of vehicle Y?
The police didn't say it was the primary method of stealing cars, only that it was a new phenomenon they hadn't seen before.
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What’s your point? AirTags don’t require the U1 chip. It is required for precision finding. Seems like I’m entertaining a bad faith argument.
My point is that people without iOS 14.5 (older iPhones), iphone 11 or later will either be forced to upgrade or switch from Android (bad app reviews) to avoid being tracked - a dirty trick by Apple to gain customers. Some people might brush notifications - either be 3 days as the reporter suggested (self tag) or right away as OP (stranger's tag) Just a hypothesis, but Apple has a history of doing this as seen in 1,2…
No iPhone or Android device available actually prevents you being tracked.
No smartphone prevents someone wanting to track you from using a cheap GPS tracker, Tile or another old cellphone to trace your location.
Airtags aren't made for tracking people and are actually the only tracker that will alert anyone at all of their potentially unwanted presence.
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This opens up a new "evil maid" attack: secretly tracking anyone whose phone you have access to.
You are worried about someone who physically has access to your phone and knows your passcode tracking you? That is not the problem being discussed here.
Being snooped on by someone with physical access to your device, as well as the opportunity to use it while unlocked (passcode or not) happens more times than one might think! It could be anything from a creepy colleague, or an insecure romantic partner.
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How is it the wrong solution? An app is required for any of this to work/be detected. Either everyone jumps on the same bandwagon (Google joins Apple or something), or you install the app for the bandwagon that exists.
? No. An app must be installed to detect abuse, who would install that preventively?... For setup, sure that's possible as an app. But my comment was "where do i see a warning", as in : detect abuse. A protocol should be implemented, so it can be implemented on a more broad os level. In reality: no one will install an app for a potential abuse and i can't imagine someone would think otherwise. The people that are get…
> A protocol should be implemented, so it can be implemented on a more broad os level.
I don't understand, this is what I'm saying. "Either everyone jumps on the same bandwagon (Google joins Apple or something), or you install the app for the bandwagon that exists."
You need the software installed. Either everyone jumps on the same bandwagon and everyone provides the app/system service with their phone, for the same protocol, or everyone has to install an app/system service that supports whomever's specific protocol. This has been the case long before apple, with Tile, Samsung, etc.
> who would install that preventively?
With the unfortunate consequence of causality and forward direction of time, everyone that has a phone that doesn't already have it as a system service, until everyone jumps on the same bandwagon and agrees to supporting one specific protocol. What's the alternative here? Regulate all tracking devices so they can't be sold until all phones can detect them?
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Well if you were caught squatting down, with your hand literally in the wheel well of the car, again, that makes it pretty hard to argue you dropped something there. That's what we're talking about here.
Your hand is in the wheel well for a fraction of a second, just enough for a magnet to stick. You can still say "oh I was just picking up my air tag" and it'll be fairly reasonable. I'd buy it if it were done so you didn't look like you were fiddling with the car too long.
> If you're caught placing an AirTag on someone's car
So you're actually literally caught with your hand placing the AirTag on the car.
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Why exactly is it lower effort than a cellular GPS tracker from Amazon? They're around the same size, and roughly the same cost.
When you open a GPS tracker you find a SIM and that's enough to identify the owner in any country that requires an ID to get a SIM. AirTags are anonymous by design AFAIK. Furthermore the owner is spared with the burden of getting a SIM (time and cost), ID or not.
The process that it takes to identify the owner of a SIM card is no different, and likely more difficult, than the process to identify the owner of an AirTag.