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Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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That is, if you're lucky and they understand what you're talking about. You'll probably have to spend some time explaining how it works, why it is a serious issue, and then probably be dismissed.

You'd have to explain to the police why a device that's designed for tracking things being placed on your car is a serious issue?

Essentially. As in "if they would just go away, less paperwork for me."

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Not surprised, just a hypothesis on hidden tactics behind. As for your question, do you really trust in Apple's PR? "Privacy, green, ethical labor" Oh almost forgot, another case: 3. https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/complete-control-apple-a...

Well, the way I see it is that in the counterfactual world where they didn't downclock, someone who doesn't "trust in Apple's PR" would conclude that the lack of downclocking is so that phones would turn off randomly, nudging people to buy a new phone.

Or they will just be left with a poor brand experience and switched to Android.

Using this logic, please explain the pattern with #2 and #3.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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That is, if you're lucky and they understand what you're talking about. You'll probably have to spend some time explaining how it works, why it is a serious issue, and then probably be dismissed.

You'd have to explain to the police why a device that's designed for tracking things being placed on your car is a serious issue?

Personal experience of explaining to a police officer how I was able to track down a friend's stolen smartphone.

Edit: it was in Paris, France.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Huh, right, with all the talk about the privacy preserving location sharing, I missed that Airtags have a serial number that Apple can look up. However, my main criticism (that Apple customers were not asked whether they want to participate in a network that may indirectly reveal their location) still stands.

The find my network is designed so that it does not directly or indirectly reveal location of the primary device or any intermediaries to apple

But anytime it sends a ping, it reveals the fact that an iOS device is near. If it's a public place where lots of different people pass by, then that information doesn't identify anyone. But if you place an Airtag at a private location, eg. near someones home, you can use it to detect when the people living there get home.

Now maybe you don't worry about side channels like this, but I really think that it should be up to the individual user to decide whether they want to risk something like this or not.

It's quite telling that Apple does not ask people to opt-in to the Find My network, while every third party app needs explicit user permission for any kind of Bluetooth access.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Catalytic converter theft is big everywhere, unfortunately. It's most common in larger cities, but it's worth the effort for thieves to travel out of town as well. [catalytic converter theft map] is a productive search with some graphics, some dating back years: https://www.google.com/search?q=catalytic+converter+theft+ma... Not intending any greater point about AirTags.

Cat theft, and petty property crime in general, is way worse in the cities that decline to prosecute which basically boils down to "the west coast and a few pinpoints on the east coast."

Washington, DC, does not decline to prosecute, but there was a rash of catalytic converter thefts in my neighborhood not that long ago. I'd have guessed that these thefts are tied to the popularity of hybrid vehicles, in particular Priuses.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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I am given the choice what I want to do, and chose the "always ignore this AirTag" option.

This opens up a new "evil maid" attack: secretly tracking anyone whose phone you have access to.

You are worried about someone who physically has access to your phone and knows your passcode tracking you? That is not the problem being discussed here.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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So I and my wife both have AirTags. Every time we take a walk together, we both get notifications that there's an unknown AirTag with us (each others'). You can pause these notifications for just one day, which means we get notified every single day. Does anyone know how to disable this for specific known AirTags?

When an AirTag is assigned to an iCloud account, and a device (say an iPhone) is with you, then you shouldn't get these messages. But if one of you didn't bring their phone but, for example, the keys, you will get these messages, yeah.

Thanks for this. My wife often doesn’t bring her phone on walks, but does bring her keys. That would make sense!

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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So I and my wife both have AirTags. Every time we take a walk together, we both get notifications that there's an unknown AirTag with us (each others'). You can pause these notifications for just one day, which means we get notified every single day. Does anyone know how to disable this for specific known AirTags?

Are your Apple accounts in a Family Sharing group? I have no idea if that would affect this feature, but my wife and I also have AirTags on our keys and we travel together plenty and have never received this notification.

Thanks for this suggestion. We are not in a Family Sharing group, so I’ll look into whether this helps. I also might just move her AirTag to my account to track her keys, since if she’s misplaced her keys there’s a good chance she’s misplaced her phone as well.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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It’s doesn’t require the U1 chip.

3 days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPqiQiKN284 I see: https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/apple-airtag-tips Not so good for Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.apple.trac...

What’s your point?

AirTags don’t require the U1 chip. It is required for precision finding.

Seems like I’m entertaining a bad faith argument.

Re: Someone attached an AirTag to my car while I was in a bar

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Good to know. We don't have burner phones over here, and can't verify, however I thought their SIM cards were locked so that they couldn't be used on other devices.

Where I live (NL) you don't even need to buy a whole phone, anonymous prepaid sim cards don't require any ID to purchase.

The burner phone would be a better option IMO. Phones can be traced with their IMEI so if before or after using it with an anonymous SIM it's/was used with a personal SIM, it will be easy to associate the phone owner's name with the anonymous SIM.
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